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December 5, 2012 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #911575WIYMember
Rebdoniel
“R’ Shachter says it’s ok to eat swordfish. If something is mutar, it’s mutar. If it’s assur, it’s assur.”
R Shachter eats swordfish because R Soloveitchik paskined that he thinks they are kosher. However Moshe Tendler thoroughly studied the subject with scientists and showed his findings to Reb Moshe Feinstein who paskened they are not Kosher. As I am not a talmid of Rav Schachter and since most poskim agree that Swordfish are not Kosher I would never eat it. So for most people swordfish are assur. For the people who are talmidim of R Soloveitchik or Shachter and do everything according to their psak, or for the clowns who pick and choose arbitrarily what they do and for Conservative Jews swordfish is kosher. For most Orthodox Jews it isn’t.
December 5, 2012 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #911576rebdonielMemberI never ate sturgeon or swordfish, and I am not fully aware of the scientific facts.
R’ Soloveitchik, it seems, held like the Knesset haGedolah. Italian and Moroccan Jews have a clear mesorah to eat it.
Holding like Rav Soloveitchik hardly makes one a clown.
And, I think there are very few people out there who hold like one rav on all things. The Rav urged his talmidim to think for themselves, which is why I doubt any of his talmidim eat Kraft Cheese (certainly not Rabbi Avi Weiss, shlita).
The Rav believed in land for peace; I think this is a flawed argument halakhically. Yet, the Rov also had many unconventional chumros and frankly, some leniencies that I don’t chap. Rav Schachter himself says this.
I would be the first to say that a chutznik in Israel needs to keep 2 days of yom tov, yet the Rav said they should keep a day and a half. His talmidim put up an eruv in Teaneck, which is not kosher. And he also allowed dairy bread without a heker (he said that the dairy hechsher on the bag is a heker), which goes against the Gemara.
I don’t claim to slavishly follow any one authority. I follow a rational and reasonable reading of the halakha, in line with the intended meaning of Hazal and its codification in the Rambam and Shulchan Aruch.
December 6, 2012 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #911577oomisParticipantSturgeon happens to be a nonkosher fish we eat caviar from. (Although sturgeon is/was considered kosher by some, similar to the case of swordfish). “
I have a feeling you meant to say that it happens to be a non-kosher fish which is often a source for caviar for people who like caviar (but since it is overwhelmingly not accepted as kosher, frum Jews do not utilize that source).
December 6, 2012 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #911578rebdonielMemberI corrected myself.
December 6, 2012 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #911579nitpickerParticipanthello.
from wikipedia:
Caviar, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization, is a product made from salt-cured fish-eggs of the Acipenseridae family. The roe can be “fresh” (non-pasteurized) or pasteurized, with pasteurization reducing its culinary and economic value.[1]
Traditionally the term caviar refers only to roe from wild sturgeon in the Caspian and Black Seas[2] (Beluga, Ossetra and Sevruga caviars). Depending on the country, caviar may also be used to describe the roe of other fish such as salmon, steelhead, trout, lumpfish, whitefish,[3] and other species of sturgeon.[4][5]
so it seems this is another word that has a very specific meaning and a more general meaning. however it doesnt seem to be just a synonym for ‘row’.
goodbye.
December 6, 2012 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #911580rebdonielMemberEveryone refers to salmon and whitefish roe as caviar.
That is certainly how they market it.
Sunday, anyways, I am making latkes with smoked salmon and blck whitefish cavair, OU, from Marky’s.
December 6, 2012 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #911581nitpickerParticipanton no! my one post in a long time and I wrote ‘row’ when I should have written ‘roe’.
December 7, 2012 1:17 am at 1:17 am #911582ready nowParticipantRebdoniel-you made a typing mistake which needs bold type to rectify- Caviar (Must be from a kosher fish) See: Sturgeons (non kosher).
December 7, 2012 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #911583rebdonielMemberThe logical thrust of my argument above is obvious; it is obvious from what I said above that I wouldn’t eat sturgeon caviar.
(Although I wouldn’t chastise those who do, per the Noda b’Yehuda)
December 9, 2012 1:08 am at 1:08 am #911584ready nowParticipantA freiliche hannuka!
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