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  • #612613
    staystrong
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    Rav Shmuel Wosner shlita stated in his Shabbos SHuvah drasaha in 5772, ” it is clear to me that if Klal Yisroel would accept upon themselves not to speak during davening, or at least from Hodu until after Kaddish Tiskabel (and also during Mincha and Maariv, from the beginning of the tefillah until after Kaadish Tiskabel), then the terrible gezeirah of the machalah (cancer) would be eradicated from all of Klal Yisroel.

    Unfortunately, we all know someone fighting cancer. These words are powerful! PLEASE Control yourself from speaking during davening and iyH in that zchus the cholim in Klal Yisroel should have a complete refuah!!!!!!

    TOGETHER, LETS START A TREND OF KEEPING QUIET DURING DAVENING!!!

    L’Refuah Sheleima for Miriam Gitcha bas Yetsha

    #1012494
    Sam2
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    Bimchilas K’vodo to R’ Wosner, who is far above any criticism I can ever give, statements like this (especially specific statements) end up hurting people who it affects. There are ways to encourage not talking during Davening without making promises like this. Because, unless R’ Wosner is saying that he had a Nevua guaranteeing this (which I would believe if he claimed), how can he say this with absolute certainty?

    #1012495
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Sam, this was not a very specific statement. If it was said about a particular individual, you might have a point, because we can never know when a particular gezeirah is sealed. (Although at times, HKB’H might reveal something specific to a tzaddik, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility.)

    It is certainly not beyond R’ Vosner, though, to be able to make the connection between a certain type of puroniyus and a certain aveirah.

    #1012496
    staystrong
    Member

    I respect your opinion, this is what i heard from a reliable source directly from R’ Wosner. IyH after yom tov I plan on calling R’ Wosner myself and making sure this is indeed true.

    However, talking during davening is ASUR and if R’ Wosner says there is a connection between the two, I wouldn’t question and just keep my mouth shut during davening.

    Please! As a nation of rachamim let’s quit the talking during davening and in the zchus we should have lots of yeshuos and refuos in gantz klal yisroel!

    L’Refuah Sheleima for Miriam Gitcha bas Yetsha

    #1012497
    yeshivaguy45
    Participant

    Several weeks ago, I listened to a shiur on cd from R’ Yitzchak Sorotzkin shlita on Kedushas Beis Haknesses and not speaking during davening. He said over several stories about this. One story was about an individual who’s daughter had cancer, lo aleinu. The doctors had told him that there was no hope for his daughter. A little while later, the man met another Yid and this yid told him that he had a similar problem and he went to a rebbe and the rebbe told him to be mekabel not to talk during davening. He said after several weeks of taking on the kabbala he went back to the doctor and there was no trace of the sickness left. This man heard the story and he took on to be mekabel not to talk during davening and his daughter was healed.

    No, we don’t know why things in this world happen. But we can take on extra zechuyos and those zechuyos can fight for us.

    #1012498
    charliehall
    Participant

    We should stop talking during davening not because we will benefit but because it is the halachah. 🙁

    #1012499
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You are correct, Charlie, but let’s face it; sometimes we can use the extra push.

    #1012500

    someone once came to HARAV HAGON Avigdor Miller zt’l and asked for a bracha because he had cancer, rav miller asked him :do people talk in your shul? he said yes, rav avigdor miller sais strongly YOU MUST GET OUT OF THAT SHUL YOUR TEFILOS ARE GETTING BLOCKED!the man switched to a small stieble were they didnt talk and 2 weeks later he came to the doctor and the doctor said: its amazing the cancer left your body completely its like you never had it! so do we need more proof the gedoli hatorah are telling us this over and over again! the noda be yehuda said if you talk in shul its like planting a cross in the hechal!

    #1012501
    Sam2
    Participant

    Frankly, the fact that we assume that talking in Shul caused Tach V’tat should do a ton more than any of these stories about cancer.

    #1012502
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    But I say three times a day that if we will follow it will rain on time and we’ll have what to eat and share and that we’ll be long on the land. In fact, I have this on my door posts and placed on my heart and between the eyes.

    #1012503
    besalel
    Participant

    do you not realize how foolish this sounds?

    #1012504

    Just as the rabbonim attributed the cause of tach v’tat to talking in shul and told us to refrain from that in the future so that we should prevent a recurrence, so to here they can tell us the cause of a tragedy so that we should refrain from repeating that mistake.

    #1012505
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There was a story a few months ago that Rav Chaim said anyone owning an iPhone could not be an Eid. Many have commented on this “psak” and the consensous seemed to be that the statement was misunderstood. It was likely the asker did not properly either ask or understand the answer.

    It is likely the same happend here as well along with the fact we dont have any evidence this was actually said other than an anonymous poster on the internet, but even if it was said, who is to say it was made to a specific person or the general population as well.

    #1012506
    lesschumras
    Participant

    Just curious. These are anecdotes, not proof. There are talkers in my shul who don’t have cancer in their families. That it isn’t proof either.

    #1012508

    You don’t want to wish harm on any Jew.

    And one may never know the ways of the Ribono Shel Olam. One who talks creates a barrier to the Tefillos, for himself and others. Why he’s is not immediately punished is Hashem’s cheshbonos. He is forgiving and very patient to allow for repentance, but, no doubt, there is a Judge and Judgement.

    Additionally, as Ohr HaChaim points out, one who sins and causes another Jew to bear his punishment, as in this case, will be dealt with EXTREMELY SEVERELY. To quote:??? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ??????.

    #1012509
    hanz kegl
    Participant

    Ohr HaChaim Hakodesh

    #1012510
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Hakadosh.

    #1012511
    hanz kegl
    Participant

    the point was not the spelling but to not say ohr hachaim without hakadosh

    #1012512
    DaMoshe
    Participant

    The Mishnah Brurah says that talking during chazaras hashatz causes shuls to be destroyed. I don’t know where it’s brought down about diseases being caused by it, but the story from R’ Miller does make sense. If there is talking in the shul, the tefillos won’t be as good. Tefillos from a tzibbur are amplified by the tzibbur. If there is talking, it makes sense that the opposite might occur.

    #1012513
    Redleg
    Participant

    What bothers me is our morbid fascination with cancer. Cardiovascular disease disables and kills far more people than cancer does. Why doesn’t anyone ever offer a segula to eliminate cardiovascular disease?

    #1012514
    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    Redleg- Cancer patients look scary. Cardiac patients usually don’t.

    #1012515
    Sam2
    Participant

    hanz: What’s wrong with saying Or HaChaim without adding HaKadosh?

    #1012516
    gefen
    Participant

    Talking in shul during davening is assur. Whether these stories about avoiding/curing cancer are true or not, obviously I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised. What would it hurt to take on something that might/could/will help? We should all be trying to better ourselves.

    #1012517
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    It’s a machlokes. ‘Cuz a rebbe said a few months ago that makeup on young girls is what causes cancer. Must be two different cancers.

    #1012518
    nfgo3
    Member

    So, which is more likely to result in the end of cancer for Jews: Scientific research, or a day when all Jews stop talking during davening. Even if Rav Wosner is right, a scientific solution will be found before every Jew stops yakking during davening.

    #1012519
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Nfgo3, the two are not mutually exclusive.

    We should stop talking during davening, and iy”H in that zechus, a cure will be found.

    #1012520
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    NFG, that was the problem Chizkiyahu Hamelech was faced with.

    #1012521
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Talking in shul during davening is assur. Whether these stories about avoiding/curing cancer are true or not, obviously I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised. What would it hurt to take on something that might/could/will help? We should all be trying to better ourselves.

    This is worth repeating.

    #1012522
    Nat
    Member

    (1) It is absolutely Ossur to talk in Shul. (2) Rav Wosner may say what he wants as Posek Hador – in Shomayim they listen to him – so should we. (3) Every “kabola” a person takes on himself brings good to that person – even if we do not necessarily see it.

    I would add that the Gerrer Rebbe, the Bais Yisroel zt”l, said publicly right before the begining of the 1967 war – that “Hashem yilochem lochem v’atem tacharishun” means that Hashem will fight your battles if only you would not talk during davening.

    Another interesting point to consider (not negating not talking in Shul) is that the Pnei Menachem of Ger zt”l said that the “machla” is caused by people not “fargining” others. It is similar to the “machla” in which the white cells “eat up” the red cells. Just additional food for thought. Let’s “fargin” other Yidden. The z’chus of “ayin tova” is enormous.

    Besurois toivos and refuous for all cholei Yisroel.

    #1012523
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    1) It is absolutely Ossur to talk in Shul. (2) Rav Wosner may say what he wants as Posek Hador – in Shomayim they listen to him – so should we

    Rav Wosner issued the Psak at the Asifa banning the internet

    #1012524
    gefen
    Participant

    DaasYochid; Thanks

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