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Simcha613:
Again, it was the Zionists that lost it in the first place. It is absurd to celebrate this undoing of a very, very small part of the damage that the Zionists themselves inflicted on the Jewish people.
More importantly, we don’t make up new holidays just because we like something. There is exactly one holiday that has been established in Klal Yisrael since Tanach: Chanukah. No other event has been deemed worthy by Chazal of prior generations to establish a holiday. Yet Zionists proclaim holidays for all their “victories”.
Yes, it would have been less problematic (not problem-free, but less problematic) if it had been a war of only goyim. But it wasn’t – it was a Zionist war – and that makes a ton of difference.
How many Jewish lives were sacrificed on the altar of Zionism for this “victory”? How much sina was created, threatening Jews worldwide? How many severe aveiros of hisgarus baUmos and aliya biChoma were violated for this?
Almost nothing is ever doche pikuach nefesh. How many human sacrifices to this idol of Zionism (as fighters in its offensive wars) were required to regain a little of what the Zionists recklessly lost in the first place? Yet you celebrate this made-up day?
(To be clear, The Torah of course permits self-defense, albeit the need for it here was only a result of Zionist aggression in the first place; but this war’s conquests are anyways not a question of self-defense.)
Again, this celebration is not Torah but, lihavdil, Zionism.
The only way any educated Jew could celebrate any Zionist holiday is if they have grafted the idolatry of Zionism unto, liHavdil, our holy Torah (as does MO/”Religious Zionism”) and have thus poisoned their worldview with the former rather than only Torah.
Mods: I thought Zionism was gonna be an off-limits topic for now. There’s really no need to be called an Oved Avodah Zarah a few days before Shavuos.
That aside, I respectfully request (again) that the slur of “Yom HaAtzamos” not be let through. It is quite a disgusting slur (though no more offensive than the invective you let through from HaKatan). Still, if you let that through, then I expect to be allowed to use the n-word and other racial slurs. They’re really the same level.
Sam, http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yom-yerushalayim/page/2#post-523885
If you want to be fair, you would have to include their posts as well.
I also don’t think your comparison is correct. One is a slur against people, and one us a slur against a day. True, it’s a day considered important by many people, but it’s still much less direct of an insult.
No, it’s very much a topic for now, right before shavuos. It’s all about shavuos, the three of them.
Yes, it was supposed to be off limits for now. I had forgotten. Sorry about that.
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