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Avi k: “DC, you are also wrong. It comes from Belarus.”
Nope, it comes from Russia, and this a ridiculous argument to have, as you can easily look up these facts on the Internet. I would refer you to Wikipedia though, and then you’ll tell me what you think….DC, Lyubavichi is currently part of Russia but it is on the border of Belarus and is part of the ethnic territory of the Belarusian (Ruthenian) people according Yefim Karskiy and Mitrofan Dovnar-Zapol’skiy . At the time Chabad was established it was ruled locally by Ruthenian aristocrats.
Avi: Belarusian and Ruthenian are two different ethnic groups. The Ruthenians are based mostly on the border area of Ukraine, Hungary and Slovakia.
Hebrew has been the language of the Jewish people since Moshe Rabbeinu. There are more Seforim in English than in Yiddish. Harvard distributes translations of the Latin commencement address.
I wonder how those supporting Yiddish only speeches would feel if there were speeches only in Ladino or Arabic instead.
Going Yiddish only in an undercover way of rejecting Sephardim. Many Sephardim study along the daf yomi. The event should be exclusively in English to be available for all Jews.
Doing English only is an undercover way of rejecting French and Israeli Jews who don’t know English. Where’s the French and Ivrit?
Skipping Yiddish rejects the Yiddish speakers who represent about half of American Orthodoxy.
“The event should be exclusively in English to be available for all Jews.”
You clearly have not read this thread. Perhaps may neighbor Aizik can explain. his words follow:
Ello, I am not spik or rite english so good, but I vant yoo to understand zis eezy gedank. I em very looking toward di siyum hashas. I not understanding english good, but most people do so most speeches vill be in english. makes sense. But I vould like to understand some speeches also, in farshtayt zich the rest of my shil, who speak even fewer english then me also vant to go.
why can’t you fargin a few speeches in yiddish so ve all can enjoy.
Yoo mention Ladino and Arabic, are there anyone who only speeks ladino and arabic and not english? If yes then of course they shood be included, if not mai inyan shemita eitzel har sinai? .Best vishes and kol tuv
AizikIt satisfies chasidish yeshivas which learn in yiddish as I did. When I am asked to speak Torah infront of a goup, I ask them, what language they want me to speak. Personally, I rather speak in yiddish.
“Yiddish is our historical common tongue.”
Actually Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Ladino are much more the historical Jewish languages. Yiddish is a latecomer and unlike the other four there are almost no sefarim written in it.
CH: I agree. So why can’t we use those languages then. Unless someone was “learning” daf yomi with Artscroll, then they should be able to understand it all.
CH: you are joking? almost no sefarim written in yiddish? Here are at least 3. What about the chumash beis yehuda (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14361&st=&pgnum=4), taamei haminhagim (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=36722&st=&pgnum=1&hilite=) and the kitzur shulchan aruch (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=36344&st=&pgnum=1&hilite=)?
Also Tzenah Urenah, and Orchos Tzaddikim was first published
in Yiddish translation. But the question is how many compared to other languages.The number of published works is not a good gauge
A better gauge would be percentage of Jewish Published works that were in Yiddish then vs English today
In other words, obviously there are more published English works than there were Yiddish works but there are also much more Hebrew works (today) than there were Hebrew works (then) .
I still don’t understand why the organizers don’t simply provide near-simultaneous English translation of the Yiddish presentations on the huge screens easily visible from everywhere in MetLife stadium. That would eliminate this seemingly endless debate.
“If indeed the amount of Yiddish speeches corresponds to the percentage of people in Met life stadium who primarily speak that language and have difficulty understanding English then I back down and stand corrected.”
CTR: Yasher Koach for backing down and standing corrected like a mentsch.
Why not do the whole thing in Hebrew and Aramaic? The only people that would be lost is those that “learned” from Artscroll.
Wow, what a self centered question. What about the people that learn the daf in YIDDISH? Someone spoke on Hebrew last time and I didn’t understand most of it. Oh well, I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE AND NEITHER ARE YOU.
You may be interested in reading an article by Rabbi Bender in the Jewish Observer from over 30 years ago. “Mamme Loshon Is Precious, But Is It Talking To Us?” agudathisrael.org/the-jewish-observer-vol-21-no-5-summer-1988tammuz-av-5748
Rabbi (Josh) Silvermintz wrote a response pointing out the ties between the post war generation and Europe and the role of Yiddish. Alas I cannot find the reference.
Big deal, grow up peoples. Like no one here ever spaced out for 20 minutes. Or learn the Daf. Or bring headphones and listen to Rosseta Stone Yiddish classes. Just go with the flow. It’s healthier that way.
rebbeDebbie: Please do not denigrate the role of ArtSroll in the proliferation of the learning of the Daf, a point specifically mentioned by the noviminsker rebbe at the 11th siyum in 1985 when he stated “that we have to recognize the role of the shottenstein edition of the SHAS that has come to assist and quench the thirst of those who wish to drink from the wellsprings of the torah”.
CTR: I haven’t seen you complain about the Ivrit speech given at the last Siyum.
Every Yeshiva should be teaching their talmidim Ivrit and Yiddish from an early age.
That some in the Torah Community are arguing against Yiddish speeches at the most unifying gathering in Torah America is mind-boggling.
Study Yiddish, know it and love it, it is priceless.
rational, saying that everyone should learn yiddish is coming from a position of privilege and promoting Ashkenormativity. It erases Sephardim and their history from Klal Yisrael. Sephardim have been around longer than Ashkenazim, yet for some reason many yeshivot continually dismiss Sephardi minhagim. Yiddish only is not the way to go.
I assume Rav Kotler from Lakewood speaks English even though he grew up in EY but subsequently left his family there and came to the U.S. in the early 1980s to become Rosh Yeshiva of BMG when his father was niftar. Someone may know more details but it may just be his preference to do his presentation at the siyum in Yiddish as I assume he does for all his BMG shiurim and schmoozes.
CTR: There are gedolei yisroel as well as pashuteh yidden in Eretz Yisroel and other non-English speaking countries that do not know English but are fluent in Yiddish. Hence, yes, there very certainly is great benefits for English-speakers to know Yiddish to communicate with Yidden the world over who don’t speak English.
RebbeDebbie: It seems that you and another poster have this complex. Ashkenazim are not trying to erase sefardim and their history from klal yisroel.
CTRebbe: do you know that Rav Pam started the new cycle at the 10th Siyum Hashas and spoke entirely in Yiddish.
Im not sure the mods will allow the link.
https://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=1&ARTICLE_ID=119766
if not google: Rav Pam Nassau Coliseum
CTRebbe: Your post reminds me about the office of incomplete statistics who found that 4 out of 5………
How big was your population of “Based on my survey of the participants in Met Life stadium”?CTRebbe, am I correct in assuming that the last half percent understand neither English nor Yiddish?
CT rebbe you must have been sitting in some isolated section
In most of the stadium your numbers are way off.Lets start with the obvious Most chasidim speak yiddish as their primary language but are comfortable (though not neccesarily “just as comfortable” with english
You have this group as being 2.6% of the attendance .
Pictures are widely available. you can identify the chasidim by their long peyos (sidelocks) and fur lined hats (allegedly made of beaver fur hence their name though there are some other chasidik modes of dress but I dont want to confuse youHere are some pictures, I’m curious if you think only 2.6% are chasidim
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1816162/photo-essay-siyum-hashas-2020-album-2-photos-by-hillel-engel.html
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