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What is up with so many yeshivish guys getting in style with their slicked back hair, tight pants, pointy dress shoes, etc.? Why are they so into their looks? A hat, jacket, and peyos behind their ear just fits into their “look”. What is up with this-I have seen it for years
What’s up with the stylish, “cool” guys who are so into their looks, wearing hats jackets and peyos behind their ears?
lol
Anyone not just guys that’s into his externals means that they are not shallow but hollow internally!
Don’t you think it’s shallow to judge someone by their externals?
What caught my eye in this thread is the term “hipsters” which in its ususal sense, is used to describe some of the sloppiest dressed people you can possibly imagine. Ask anyone from Willy, and they will verify this.
So here I though this was a thread about frum guys dressing down when in reality, its about guys dressing up. Go figure.
blackhat, perhaps we should be grateful that they seem to be 50 years behind the times when it comes to being hip. If this is all they are doing, maybe we should be happy. 🙂
Since when did yeshivish guys dress so shpitz and cool and very into fashion with their very tight pants (how do they walk in them), pointy shoes, shpitz hair, etc.
I guess you didn’t get my point. You can define yeshivish however you want, but in my book, those guys aren’t yeshivish.
“very into fashion”
Oh that. Simple, really. Its the expected side-effect of allowing our boys to abdicate their true role, and allow our girls to assume the mantle of being the breadwinner.
Therefore, the natural outcome is, our boys turned into girls (pointy shoes and all).
Oh that. Simple, really. Its the expected side-effect of allowing our boys to abdicate their true role, and allow our girls to assume the mantle of being the breadwinner.
Therefore, the natural outcome is, our boys turned into girls (pointy shoes and all).
Nice theory (not really), but males in the greater society are much more into fashion than was true historically; it’s not just “our” boys.
“males in the greater society are much more into fashion than was true historically”
Perhaps. But not to the extent that they surpass the women. Unless you factor in a certain “subset” of males in the greater society).
For the most part, the greater society’s men are into pro sports. Not clothing.
Lets use mid-manhattan as an example. How many stores cater to women only? (Clothing, perfume, accessories). How many cater to men only? And in the stores that cater to both (like Gap, or Old Navy) how much of the floorspace is for men, and how much is for women?
Same goes for malls. Its a woman’s world when you’re talking fashion (in the greater society, that is).
BTW – I love that phrase; Greater society. Sounds so much more pc than “the goyishe velt”. I’m gonna try to use that going forward.
Bpt,
Are there more ladies’ clothing stores in BP, or men’s? How about in Lakewood?
Don’t judge a person by the cloths he wears.
And here’s an example:
Syag Lchochma
said, on the Inspiration/Personal stories regarding Shidduchim thread (Link):
…One of the male counselors was a border of the director. They talked him into working for them at the last minute, for the month before he left for Israel to learn. He was in cut offs and t-shirts and I had no idea what his story was (I was dating BMG guys). As time went on I realized this guy was more “frum” than I thought and was shtarker than my friends and I…
“Are there more ladies’ clothing stores in BP, or men’s?”
Of course, there are more ladies stores in BP, and Flatbush, and presumably Lakewood as well (but that’s just a guess).
But what BHWB was refering to is the undeniable uptick in fashion on the mens side of the mechitza. Perhaps not in the shul you daven in, nor in the row you sit. But look around, and you will see ties in more colors than the rainbow, and eyeglasses that would make Lipa Schmeltzer proud.
Not that its a bad thing, per se, but it is a telling trend.
It’s a bad thing, per se.
Just some food for thought: Men not being into fashion is a relatively new phenomenon, and like all things is part of an historical cycle. Men were VERY into fashion throughout the 1500s, and remained so until the strict puritanism of the early 1600s coupled with a backlash against the aristocracy led to much more conservative dress. In the United States and England, men’s fashion was again very important and flamboyant during the latter half of the 1700s until around 1810-1820, when men’s fashion become more muted in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars and the republican revolutions. Men again were more fashion conscious in the 1840s-1860s, but in the Victorian age, there was again no real men’s fashion to speak of (think plain black frock coat, pants, waistcoat, and hat). The roaring 20s were again a time of high fashion for men, but the Depression and WWII put an end to that – a plain and conservative trend that continued until 2005 or so. Since then, men’s wear has become more varied and fashionable, more unique and individualistic.
Its just a revolving trend. Go with it.
But what BHWB was refering to is the undeniable uptick in fashion on the mens side of the mechitza.
I agree that there is (although you’re right that it’s not apparent where I daven), but I think it’s baseless to assume that, “Its the expected side-effect of allowing our boys to abdicate their true role, and allow our girls to assume the mantle of being the breadwinner.”
“it’s baseless to assume that, “Its the expected side-effect”
That’s just my smart-aleck way of poking fun at the bochurim that are not doing the job they were sent here to do.
But look at it this way: If they had less carefree time on their hands, and were as focused on cementing a career as are their female counterparts, they’d have less time to spend preening.
That’s just my smart-aleck way of poking fun at the bochurim that are not doing the job they were sent here to do.
Yes. I know.
If they had less carefree time on their hands, and were as focused on cementing a career as are their female counterparts, they’d have less time to spend preening.
Or, better still, if they were focused on avodas Hashem.
How dare those shiftless bums care about how they present themselves to a shidduch system that is based on criteria bordering on luncacy!
/eyeroll
In a world where there is plenty to worry about, you guys sure pick some weird/pointless battles to fight.
” weird/pointless battles “
Whaadya mean, pointless?!
The future of Klal Yisroel (ok, the future of Yeshivish Klal Yisroel) rests on the shoulders of these shiftless bums.
And with less than 30 days till the Spring / Summer freezer opens, we need to be putting all our efforts (and letzanus) on this topic.
@BPT
Weren’t you at the Asifa?
“Yeshivish Klal Yisroel” is the only one that matters.
Everyone else are a bunch of hellenists who want to eat chazir on yom haatzmaut while updating their blogs and writting letters of admiration to R’Slifkin
I just saw a shpitz yeshivish guy check out himself in a mirror for a long time, especially fixing his hair. Isnt that a little strange?
A shpitz yeshivish guy doesn’t have enough hair to fix.
Today everybody wants to fit in and be part of the IN society , nobody wants to be nebby or to look different then the with it cool people , thats why even frum women ladys wear skirts that dont always cover the kness and tights shells . because no one wants to be called old fashoined or not with it. There are many boys who either have low self esteem problems or they dont have enough satisfaction just being a good yeshiva boucher , so they choose to be important a different way by being in style and wearing all kinds of “interesting clothing”. many boys grow out if it some dont.
When someone goes out with a unkempt beard, dishelved clothes, white shirt half in-half out of pants and doesnt smell the best and dresses charedi it is not a kiddish hashem
ZD,
When someone goes on a public forum and bashes groups of sincere Jews, it’s not a kiddush Hashem.
DaasYochid,
I don’t think that ZD was bashing groups of sincere Jews. He was bashing individuals that are slobs. It also sounds to me that he was defending those that seem to be too interested in their looks.
There is definatly a difference between going out like a slob, Checking yourself to make sure you look presentable and making a whole to-do about yourself in the mirror
There is a difference in looking at yourself in the mirror and making sure your Hair and Beard are combed and neat vs Spending 45 mins in front of the mirror putting all sorts of Jell in your hair to get it to look a certain way.
MDG,
According to your interpretation, the word “charedi” and the color of the shirt had no place in his post.
When someone goes to shul wearing sweatpants and a tee shirt with his favorite rock band logo, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone has sports team logos painted on his kippah, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone walks out in ripped jeans and a messy tee shirt, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When people wear clothing that leaves much more uncovered than covered, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
A person who walks around with rumpled jeans, would most likely wear a rumpled shirt and pants if he dressed yeshivish. If you compare the two, for davening the white shirt and pants is more appropriate. For cleaning sewers, the jeans are appropriate.
To make rediculous remarks like yours, Mr. Dad, is neither a kiddush Hashem nor a sign of heightened intelligence.
i feel that everyone person should dress nicely in clothes that makes him/her comfortable and so they are not constantly looking at what other people are wearing and being all self conscience of what everyone else is wearing!
i believe there is nothing wrong with tight pants if that’s what makes him comfortable and happy leave him and let him wear it!
as long as they way someone dresses isn’t changing which will cause him to change his environment and his actions obviously in a negative way. i would say leave them alone! they are just trying to fit in which is perfectly fine!
When someone goes to shul wearing sweatpants and a tee shirt with his favorite rock band logo, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone has sports team logos painted on his kippah, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When someone walks out in ripped jeans and a messy tee shirt, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
When people wear clothing that leaves much more uncovered than covered, it is not a kiddush Hashem.
Belive it or not I agree with you, But there is a difference between wearing a rock b and T-shirt with ripped jeans and wearing a Polo Type Shirt with khaki pants.
It seems people are saying you either wear white shirt and suits /tie or a T-shirt and ripped Jeans. and nothing in the middle
There is a middle ground.
BTW I know people who have blue collar jobs and wearing a white shirt with Suit pants is not a good idea, they will get real dirty real fast and they are not appropriate attire for these jobs.
And its not enlightend or Kiddish Hashem to realize that not everything is either or, most things are in the middle.
BTW While I am actually personally opposed to wearing a sports team in a Kippah, I would NEVER tell someone to remove it. The people I know who wear them , if something is said, they might not come back to shul, you have to know who you are telling this too before saying its Kiddush or Chillel Hashem to wear that.
So Mr. Dad,
Now you are agreeing there is a middle ground? You were averring that it is either the hipsters, or a slob. Well it is not that way. And the overwhelming majority do not dress like slobs.
I won’t tell a person who wears a sport team kippah to remove it, but I do not think it is a kiddush hashem. Nowhere did I advocate telling them that.
And if you are going to comment about appropriate clothing for a blue collar job, you might want to include the part of my comment that is appropriate to that.
unfortunately we live in America where people are caught up in shtusim. the yeshivish guys with their tight pants and pointy shoes and the chasidim with their supper tall crown on the shtreimel and peyos perms. Did you all actually know that something like a shtreimel has to be a certain style all chasidish chasanim today want a super tall shtreimel with at least a 4 inch crown( the pointy part at the top). When I got married recently i specifically got a lower shtreimel so not to buy into all the shtusim and how ridiculous is a peyos perm all the barber shops in Boro Park offer them. to curl the peyos nicely is actually a newer thing earlier chasidim did not do that.If you look at any pictures of Satmar Rebbe ZT”L you will notice his peyos were not curled. Klausenberger Rebbe ZT”L also and a lot of others. A lot of chasidisher rabunim don’t curl their peyos on Shabbos. their is also a shaila of boneh to curl hair (OC. 303 i think :26)
Maybe he just finished playing bball and didn’t want to miss minyan…?
I’ve seen that look in crown heights.
Where is the kiddush hashem in analyzing everyone else and how they dress?
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