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    [email protected]
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    What do people mean when they say that a person or place is yeshivish?

    Thanks.

    #1133630
    Joseph
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    That they’re not chasidish.

    #1133631
    MsPrincess
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    their very religious.

    #1133632
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Which people?

    #1133633
    MsPrincess
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    me.

    #1133634
    Shopping613 🌠
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    It’s Jewish. Perhaps.

    #1133635
    MsPrincess
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    where i live it means yeshivish,

    #1133636
    6
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    Yeshivish, as used colloquially, generally means:

    • A belief in Daas Torah – that the Gedolim’s words and actions are inspired by ruach hakodesh, and that one must obey their words.
    • A preference to stay as separate from the rest of the world as possible: this means no TVs, no movies, little internet, sometimes no secular literature, and generally no knowledge of popular culture.
    • A belief that men should spend as much of their lives learning Torah as possible, even at the expense of things such as money, education, and time.
    • A very strong sense and appreciation of Jewish tradition, though some argue that many of “yeshivish” traditions are really the Jews’ host countries’ traditions.
    • Yeshivish communities are often close-knit, with large families and much gemilas chasadim.

    I tried to be impartial. Feel free to dispute these points, or call me an apikores, or never look at my posts again. 🙂

    #1133637
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Your description of Daas Torah is inaccurate.

    #1133638
    BMHEE
    Participant

    Okay, can you redefine it?

    #1133639
    BMHEE
    Participant

    We should do this Wikipedia style!

    #1133640
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    #1133641
    6
    Participant

    DY, do you think my definition is lacking, or do you disagree with it?

    #1133642
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I think it is lacking because many, if not most, disagree with it.

    #1133643
    6
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    Do not “Yeshivish” people believe that (1) the Gedolim are Divinely inspired (i.e. more than ordinary people), and (2) one as a result must listen to them?

    #1133644
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    For the most part, no.

    We think they have better insight into what the ratzon Hashem is, and if we want to do the ratzon Hashem, we should follow them. We also think that through their learning, they become clear thinking and through their righteousness, the ability to be unbiased, and that therefore it makes sense to turn to them for advice.

    #1133645

    DaasYochid, are you familiar with the Steipler’s idea of

    Daas Torah, as written up in Mishpacha’s interview with

    R’ Avraham Yeshaya Kanievsky (R’ Chaim’s son)?

    #1133646
    Joseph
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    For the most part, no.

    DY: So how did Rav Chaim, just the other day, offer a Yid a solution to his medical dilemma – which to boot was in contravention to his doctors opinion?

    VIDEO: Hagon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky Tells Man ‘Not To Have Surgery’; Read What He Told The Man To Do Instead

    Or is Rav Chaim just not Yeshivish?

    #1133647
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Randomex, tell me.

    Joseph, that’s probably not Daas Torah.

    #1133648
    Joseph
    Participant

    So what is it?

    #1133649

    B’li neder, I’ll post it when I get the chance.

    (I’d been planning to anyway.)

    #1133650
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t know how he knew not to do the surgery, so I don’t know if it was some sort of medical knowledge/experience, or just plain siyata dishmaya.

    #1133651
    Hashemisreading
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    It means their probably modern orthodox

    #1133652
    MsPrincess
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    the definition as everyone knows yeshivish to be means very religious. i dont know maybe where someone else lives theres a different definition?

    #1133653
    appdev
    Participant

    Yishivish is understood differently by many people. Some believe it means white shirt and black pants. Others say it means tzitis hanging out. Some say it means wearing a hat & jacket whenever you’re in public.

    Point being, when someone tells you a boy/girl/institution is yeshivish ask them what they mean by that and hear their version of yeshivish.

    #1133654
    MsPrincess
    Member

    my version is someone who is very religious, marrys kollel, doesnt listen to not jewish music, wears skirts past their knees by around 4 inches, doesnt talk to boys, doesnt go to college or at least not jewish college, doesnt watch tv, doesnt use internet, etc…. (i like to consider myself yeshivish even tho i dont match that exact version i try to)

    #1133655
    technical21
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    I think that 6’s definition is accurate for the most part, except for the part that Gedolim have ruach hakodesh. There is some dispute there.

    ComlinkX- correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall learning something about this in seminary… didn’t the Steipler say that someone who is immersed in Torah all day without letup becomes like a walking sefer Torah, and if he is stopped in middle of learning and asked a question, then that is Daas Torah (or something to that effect)?

    #1133656
    technical21
    Participant

    There are also 2 different things- yeshivish “culture” and actual yeshivish beliefs and practices.

    Some people are yeshivish because they follow Comlink-X’s definition. Some people are considered yeshivish because they talk the talk and dress the part and mingle with yeshivish people.

    #1133657
    MsPrincess
    Member

    technical – i talk the talk and walk the walk and mingle with yeshivish people when not at college at college i act modern. thats why i consider myself yeshivish.

    #1133658
    technical21
    Participant

    So you ascribe to Moses Mendelssohn, ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??????

    I’m in college, too, and I also have a lot of goyim around me. I don’t change my standards around them.

    #1133659
    MsPrincess
    Member

    you go to touro very different thats a jewish college

    #1133660
    bk613
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    MsPrincess- Touro has many divisions, only the ave j night program and LCM/LCW are separate for Men and women. All the rest,including all the graduate schools are coed. The environment is like any other college.

    #1133661
    MsPrincess
    Member

    bk613 – you still have many jewish people in your class for me its 1 if even and they may not even be religious.

    #1133662

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yeshivish (Yiddish: ???????), also known as Yeshiva English or “Yeshivisheh Shprach,” refers to a sociolect of English spoken by Yeshiva students and other Jews with a strong connection to the Orthodox Yeshiva world.

    #1133663
    technical21
    Participant

    MsPrincess- Touro grad school is not Jewish. Most of my classmates are Arab or African American.

    #1133664
    technical21
    Participant

    and I have a total of ONE other frum person in my class.

    #1133665
    technical21
    Participant

    And you ignored what I said about Moses Mendelssohn… probably because you don’t know what I’m talking about.

    #1133666
    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    My definition for yeshivish was always if you or your spouse /one or both of your parents are in chinuch, because it naturally makes the home a very torahdik and sheltered atmosphere. but lately im not sure if that’s so true..

    #1133667

    ( Some people are yeshivish because they follow Comlink-X’s definition.

    I didn’t give any.)

    #1133668

    Technical21 – yes.

    “Let me explain something to you. There is a concept of

    daas Torah. What is daas Torah? It is a sort of ruach hakodesh

    that exists today. When a person sits and learns, when he

    immerses himself completely in Torah, then when he is asked a

    question, he isn’t the one answering it – it’s the Torah within

    him that’s answering. Today I’m old and constantly falling asleep

    over the Gemara. I’m not immersed in learning all the time.

    But your father [Rav Chaim Kanievsky] is constantly immersed in

    the Torah. When he answers your question, it will be the Torah

    answering you. It’s like ruach hakodesh.” – The Steipler,

    as quoted by R’ Avraham Yeshaya Kanievsky,

    as transcribed and translated by Mishpacha staff

    (If I had to guess, “immersed” was originally “areingetun.”)

    #1133669
    The Queen
    Participant

    How is the definition of yeshivish different than chasidish who also believe in daas Torah, gemilas chesed, large families, close knit communities etc.

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