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January 2, 2016 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #616958[email protected]Participant
What do people mean when they say that a person or place is yeshivish?
Thanks.
January 2, 2016 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #1133630JosephParticipantThat they’re not chasidish.
January 2, 2016 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1133631MsPrincessMembertheir very religious.
January 3, 2016 12:01 am at 12:01 am #1133632☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhich people?
January 3, 2016 5:12 am at 5:12 am #1133633MsPrincessMemberme.
January 3, 2016 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1133634Shopping613 🌠ParticipantIt’s Jewish. Perhaps.
January 3, 2016 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #1133635MsPrincessMemberwhere i live it means yeshivish,
January 4, 2016 2:20 am at 2:20 am #11336366ParticipantYeshivish, as used colloquially, generally means:
- A belief in Daas Torah – that the Gedolim’s words and actions are inspired by ruach hakodesh, and that one must obey their words.
- A preference to stay as separate from the rest of the world as possible: this means no TVs, no movies, little internet, sometimes no secular literature, and generally no knowledge of popular culture.
- A belief that men should spend as much of their lives learning Torah as possible, even at the expense of things such as money, education, and time.
- A very strong sense and appreciation of Jewish tradition, though some argue that many of “yeshivish” traditions are really the Jews’ host countries’ traditions.
- Yeshivish communities are often close-knit, with large families and much gemilas chasadim.
I tried to be impartial. Feel free to dispute these points, or call me an apikores, or never look at my posts again. 🙂
January 4, 2016 3:09 am at 3:09 am #1133637☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYour description of Daas Torah is inaccurate.
January 4, 2016 3:14 am at 3:14 am #1133638BMHEEParticipantOkay, can you redefine it?
January 4, 2016 3:15 am at 3:15 am #1133639BMHEEParticipantWe should do this Wikipedia style!
January 4, 2016 3:27 am at 3:27 am #1133640☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantJanuary 4, 2016 3:40 am at 3:40 am #11336416ParticipantDY, do you think my definition is lacking, or do you disagree with it?
January 4, 2016 3:43 am at 3:43 am #1133642☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI think it is lacking because many, if not most, disagree with it.
January 4, 2016 3:47 am at 3:47 am #11336436ParticipantDo not “Yeshivish” people believe that (1) the Gedolim are Divinely inspired (i.e. more than ordinary people), and (2) one as a result must listen to them?
January 4, 2016 4:33 am at 4:33 am #1133644☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantFor the most part, no.
We think they have better insight into what the ratzon Hashem is, and if we want to do the ratzon Hashem, we should follow them. We also think that through their learning, they become clear thinking and through their righteousness, the ability to be unbiased, and that therefore it makes sense to turn to them for advice.
January 4, 2016 4:53 am at 4:53 am #1133645☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantDaasYochid, are you familiar with the Steipler’s idea of
Daas Torah, as written up in Mishpacha’s interview with
R’ Avraham Yeshaya Kanievsky (R’ Chaim’s son)?
January 4, 2016 4:55 am at 4:55 am #1133646JosephParticipantFor the most part, no.
DY: So how did Rav Chaim, just the other day, offer a Yid a solution to his medical dilemma – which to boot was in contravention to his doctors opinion?
Or is Rav Chaim just not Yeshivish?
January 4, 2016 5:22 am at 5:22 am #1133647☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantRandomex, tell me.
Joseph, that’s probably not Daas Torah.
January 4, 2016 5:24 am at 5:24 am #1133648JosephParticipantSo what is it?
January 4, 2016 5:45 am at 5:45 am #1133649☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantB’li neder, I’ll post it when I get the chance.
(I’d been planning to anyway.)
January 4, 2016 5:51 am at 5:51 am #1133650☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI don’t know how he knew not to do the surgery, so I don’t know if it was some sort of medical knowledge/experience, or just plain siyata dishmaya.
January 4, 2016 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #1133651HashemisreadingParticipantIt means their probably modern orthodox
January 4, 2016 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #1133652MsPrincessMemberthe definition as everyone knows yeshivish to be means very religious. i dont know maybe where someone else lives theres a different definition?
January 5, 2016 3:25 am at 3:25 am #1133653appdevParticipantYishivish is understood differently by many people. Some believe it means white shirt and black pants. Others say it means tzitis hanging out. Some say it means wearing a hat & jacket whenever you’re in public.
Point being, when someone tells you a boy/girl/institution is yeshivish ask them what they mean by that and hear their version of yeshivish.
January 5, 2016 4:12 am at 4:12 am #1133654MsPrincessMembermy version is someone who is very religious, marrys kollel, doesnt listen to not jewish music, wears skirts past their knees by around 4 inches, doesnt talk to boys, doesnt go to college or at least not jewish college, doesnt watch tv, doesnt use internet, etc…. (i like to consider myself yeshivish even tho i dont match that exact version i try to)
January 5, 2016 6:02 am at 6:02 am #1133655technical21ParticipantI think that 6’s definition is accurate for the most part, except for the part that Gedolim have ruach hakodesh. There is some dispute there.
ComlinkX- correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall learning something about this in seminary… didn’t the Steipler say that someone who is immersed in Torah all day without letup becomes like a walking sefer Torah, and if he is stopped in middle of learning and asked a question, then that is Daas Torah (or something to that effect)?
January 5, 2016 6:03 am at 6:03 am #1133656technical21ParticipantThere are also 2 different things- yeshivish “culture” and actual yeshivish beliefs and practices.
Some people are yeshivish because they follow Comlink-X’s definition. Some people are considered yeshivish because they talk the talk and dress the part and mingle with yeshivish people.
January 5, 2016 6:40 am at 6:40 am #1133657MsPrincessMembertechnical – i talk the talk and walk the walk and mingle with yeshivish people when not at college at college i act modern. thats why i consider myself yeshivish.
January 5, 2016 7:04 am at 7:04 am #1133658technical21ParticipantSo you ascribe to Moses Mendelssohn, ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??????
I’m in college, too, and I also have a lot of goyim around me. I don’t change my standards around them.
January 5, 2016 8:37 am at 8:37 am #1133659MsPrincessMemberyou go to touro very different thats a jewish college
January 5, 2016 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1133660bk613ParticipantMsPrincess- Touro has many divisions, only the ave j night program and LCM/LCW are separate for Men and women. All the rest,including all the graduate schools are coed. The environment is like any other college.
January 5, 2016 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1133661MsPrincessMemberbk613 – you still have many jewish people in your class for me its 1 if even and they may not even be religious.
January 6, 2016 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1133662This name is already takenParticipantFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yeshivish (Yiddish: ???????), also known as Yeshiva English or “Yeshivisheh Shprach,” refers to a sociolect of English spoken by Yeshiva students and other Jews with a strong connection to the Orthodox Yeshiva world.
January 6, 2016 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1133663technical21ParticipantMsPrincess- Touro grad school is not Jewish. Most of my classmates are Arab or African American.
January 6, 2016 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1133664technical21Participantand I have a total of ONE other frum person in my class.
January 6, 2016 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #1133665technical21ParticipantAnd you ignored what I said about Moses Mendelssohn… probably because you don’t know what I’m talking about.
January 6, 2016 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1133666HashemisreadingParticipantMy definition for yeshivish was always if you or your spouse /one or both of your parents are in chinuch, because it naturally makes the home a very torahdik and sheltered atmosphere. but lately im not sure if that’s so true..
January 27, 2016 2:49 am at 2:49 am #1133667☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant( Some people are yeshivish because they follow Comlink-X’s definition.
I didn’t give any.)
January 27, 2016 2:50 am at 2:50 am #1133668☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantTechnical21 – yes.
“Let me explain something to you. There is a concept of
daas Torah. What is daas Torah? It is a sort of ruach hakodesh
that exists today. When a person sits and learns, when he
immerses himself completely in Torah, then when he is asked a
question, he isn’t the one answering it – it’s the Torah within
him that’s answering. Today I’m old and constantly falling asleep
over the Gemara. I’m not immersed in learning all the time.
But your father [Rav Chaim Kanievsky] is constantly immersed in
the Torah. When he answers your question, it will be the Torah
answering you. It’s like ruach hakodesh.” – The Steipler,
as quoted by R’ Avraham Yeshaya Kanievsky,
as transcribed and translated by Mishpacha staff
(If I had to guess, “immersed” was originally “areingetun.”)
January 27, 2016 3:08 am at 3:08 am #1133669The QueenParticipantHow is the definition of yeshivish different than chasidish who also believe in daas Torah, gemilas chesed, large families, close knit communities etc.
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