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Thank you daas
No problem. You owe me a tall frosty one. 🙂
I still never got how it’s acceptable to go to a lounge on a date. Once you are married, would those same people ever step foot in such a tumahdike place?
I still never got how it’s acceptable to go to a lounge on a date. Once you are married, would those same people ever step foot in such a tumahdike place?
Once you get married, you go to restaurants.
I TOTALLY agree with Truthsharer. Whoever it was that decided the msot appropriate palce for a shidduch date was a LOUNGE in some hotel, should have his head examined. There are people committing all kinds of untzniusdig acts there, picking women up, doing other things. Frum young people should not be exposed to that on a date. what happened to that old standard – – the airport?
HOW ABOUT HE WAS SHY ON THE DATE AND HE THOUGHT THAT THE BEER WILL HELP HIM?
please don’t use all caps
take it easy.he prob wanted her to think hes cool.nothing wrong with having a beer .just in yeshivah circles its a no-no.if she liked him besides this ,she should have givin him a another chance
Let’s pay attention again to Ravsholom’s post:
“For all those concerned, the SA specifically says that the issue is only if someone is ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??????. This clearly refers to a situation such as a pub or a bar, not a date in a hotel lounge. Further, the Rama cites numerous Rishonim and Acharonim that beer made from grain (such as most beer on the market today) would be permitted, and that such is the minhag in ?????? ??? i.e. Ashkenazi communities.”
Not every bar and pub fall into that category either. The g’mara relates instances of chazal drinking at a tavern; where else did they quench their thirst when on the road? Let’s not disregard the Rama who cites that alcoholic beverages made from grain, i.e. beer, whisky, vodka, etc. is ok to be maikel
And what about getting drinks served from the bar at a simcha which is catered by the goyish hotel; is this assur too? Of course not.
The g’mara relates instances of chazal drinking at a tavern
Where is the gemara? Does it say it was a goyish tavern and they drank sheichar?
And what about getting drinks served from the bar at a simcha which is catered by the goyish hotel; is this assur too? Of course not.
Correct, because the ba’al simcha provides the drinks.
“that old standard – – the airport”
let’s not forget bus and train stations 🙂
So you say that you can’t go into a tavern, but you can own one? Yes, chazal were not as makpid on these things as we are.
What’s the difference between me buying a drink at the hotel bar or the baal simcha purchasing it for me; according to you, it’s drunk at the hotel bar which is the problem. Is this crass too?
If he drove home after drinking, I would run the other way as fast as possible.
“Whoever it was that decided the msot appropriate palce for a shidduch date was a LOUNGE in some hotel, should have his head examined. There are people committing all kinds of untzniusdig acts there, picking women up, doing other things. Frum young people should not be exposed to that on a date. what happened to that old standard – – the airport?”
Airport lounges are probably even more known for “hookups” than hotel lounges.
My one airport lobby date was a disaster. Not only was the woman a complete non-match, but the hotel was hosting a convention of pro-Palestinian activists. (I’m not making this up.)
I was super machmir and never had a hotel lounge date 🙂
In all seriousness, I don’t see the big deal in having 1 beer (SA aside, I’m not debating that right now but I think there is more to it than just the basic SA in terms of practical halacha as applied to today’s hotels lounges).
the lounge date is “minhag yisroel”.
We may think it’s bizarre, but it is established yeshivish protocol.
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