yeshiva or public school?

i guess this is just something we are just going to disagree on. chinuch begins at home, not at school, and yes, it may be hard, but it is by no means impossible to do. to make blanket statements like the parents are selfish and they are killing their childrens neshamos is wrong, unfair, and quite hurtful.

how can you all be so quick to condemn? mod, i know you said no one condemned, but calling someone selfish and saying they are messing up their childs neshama are pretty strong fighting words. deciding to send a frum child to public schools is, in most cases, a very hard choice to make, and it involves a LOT of back and forth with a rav.

The reality is, if the community would not have all these “funds” for this and that cause and subsidize the chareidi in Israel, we would make a difference in tuition prices, not to mention the fact that all govt largess goes to HASC and Ohel whose owners make over a million a year on doing “chesed” the system is collapsing, see if our “frum” politicians care one bit, hint the answer starts with an N and ends with an O.

What about a young child who has a learning disability because of a health issue? I registered my child in a wonderful frum playgroup near my house, but had to give up the frum education for 1-2 years because of my child’s issues. We were told by several therapists and playgroup morah that he needed a special setting at least for the time being to support his needs and delays. Believe me, I worry about the frumkeit he is missing out on (he’s in a class with almost all frum kids) but with NO Yiddishkeit, Torah, etc. It’s a therapeutic school. All these children and parents have no choice. The kids will have to learn about Yiddishkeit from the home only. It’s not ideal, but in some cases necessary.

A child who has no issues should attend yeshiva. Even when very young, children still absorb that which they’re taught. My three year old heard a song my husband played on the radio in the car (“I like it like that”) and began singing it. I was HORRIFIED!!! They do listen and they do learn!

Yeshiva is just not their priority. If it were, they could find a school (maybe not their first choice) where the wife would not have to work so hard to meet tuition. There are very few people who can send their kids to Public schools and still educate their kids properly in Yiddishkeit. They will be isolated socially and viewed differently by all. In our parents generation it was more common for frum people to go to public school because there were not that many yeshivas. Even t.v. Is not what it once was. It was pretty innocent 30-40 years ago. Now, the filth. When children are paired with kids from homes who don’t share our values, they, by extension, they expose their own kids to the same negative values that their peers are exposed to in the home.

Gosh the fees quoted for American Jewish education is really an eyeopener!!!

Here in the UK we have religious schools where the state pays for secular education and we as parents pay for Kodesh by

” voluntary contributions” Average term is around 600 to 1000 dollars, obviously there are some parents who do not pay as it is ” voluntary” and not legally enforceable, but on the whole these establishments are well run and actually growing in number with apparently 50% of Jewish children under 11 attending a Jewish day school. Is it not possible to introduce the idea in the USA, whereby parents pay for Kodesh and the state, be it local or central govt pays for chol?

Blanket statements might be fine for some issues. but each child is different, and each parent’s circumstances are different. Some people, in fact, have to make decisions for special needs children (at both ends of the spectrum) as well as to take into account their lack of resources.