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My son has been in a very good yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel for almost 2 years now, and I’ve started to notice a concerning trend about him. In many of the sentences he says over the phone, he’ll throw in phrases such as “kol tov” or “do you mochel me” in a way that doesn’t really fit the context. Sometimes it’ll be every other sentence! Should I be concerned my son is picking up all these phrases in yeshiva and incorporating them into his speech? Does this mean anything?
Winter break isn’t over yet?
Bored souls
You should be concerned if you are anti Israeli-American Yeshivishkeit.
Kvod Cholent,
So the doc on Ave. J sends regards.
His business card reads : Dr. Youseff D.Y. Abu-laffia.
Hours are : 9-6 , Mon-Thurs.
We here, be your references.Mindless peer parotting is a symptom of immaturity / low self esteem. Though the heavy emphasis in some places on conformity exacerbates the problem.
Get him out of that yeshiva.
What is he smoking?
If he says “Whut” every few minutes, it’s time to switch yeshivas
The phrase Kol tov is not all that uncommon in casual conversatios in EY. However, I’m not sure what the “do you mochel me ” stuff is all about and seems very odd even in a yeshivish context. What may he have done to you that warrants repeated requests for mechilah?
have a talk with his rebbi. dorm counselor.
This could be serious. The only way to know is to present him with a gift-wrapped grammar handbook.
Chulenterrov,
It is normal for people to change the way they speak after immersing in another environment. I even knew someone who developed a Texas accent after moving to there from NY. For examples, English-speakers who live in Israel say “I’m going to the makkolet” rather than “I’m going to the grocery store”. Would you rather he learn nibbul peh?
I also do not understand why “do you mochel me” would be out of context. Are you the unforgiving type?
Don’t be concerned. This way everyone will know he is yeshivish. Even people on the phone who can not see that he is wearing the frum uniform.
And I know many children who were 8 years old when they moved from E”Y to the USA that they totally forgot all of their Hebrew and only spoke in proper English. A shanda! Misken!
It happens to everyone, Jews and non-Jews.. You just pick up what’s around you being immersed in a language. I’m sure the Chinese parents were horrified that their children refused to speak Chinese at home when they came back from school daily.
Avi K: Would you explain the frequent use of the “do you mochel me” idiom??? In what context does it make sense in casual conversation? thanks
Aymdock
I know kids that talk to their parents in English even though they both speak Spanish
GH, when was the last time you’ve been to Israel? Maybe some American flipouts in Israel say “kol tuv” frequently, but Israelis don’t.
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practically every phone conversation I have with a frum Hebrew speaker ends in Kol Tuv. And also some Americans.Dor, when a person frequently offends his interlocutor.
1, as a matter of fact there is a caterer in Haifa called כל טוב. There is also a duet called האחים כלטוב.
Is that normal (do you mochel me)?
I don’t see that as a problem. That kind of slang is common with every adolescent child in school, regardless of the religion, language, or even generation.
Gadol:
Some yeshivish guys hear of an idea that when you want to get forgiveness from someone, it’s not enough for it to just be b’libo; they actually have to declare that they’re mochel you out loud.I don’t know of any mainstream community that accepts this as a m’akev din. I think it’s just another yeshiva bocher shtick.
I’ve been to EY frequently (both business and vacation) and I’ve heard “Kol Tov” expression quite frequently as well as in telephone conversations. Its the “mochel me” line that I have NOT heard and was asking about.
“That kind of slang is common with every adolescent child in school, regardless of the religion, language, or even generation.”
Yeah, I was just reading Kipling about life in British-controlled India. The Hindus and Muhammadans had a big machlokes on whether to pronounce it “kol tov,” or “kol tuv,” but they said they were mochel each other in the end.
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