Yated, Hamodia, Jewish Press? What Is Your Choice?

Mw, would you like to elaborate on what is illogical or intolerant, I was not very explicit with shitos or people in an effort to be polite in a forum that sorely lacks politeness, lately.

twisted:

You ignored the others who did post logical and coherent arguments (and did not answer them) but chose instead to focus on those who may have ventured beyond the line. You then used that as an excuse to ignore the legitimate position of the opposing side.

Your statement that “What you are fighting is the disease of creeping isms defended by insecure and frightened people.” is mainly a projection; in other words, you’re really looking at “yourself” (your position) in the mirror.

You seem to insist that those who believe these publications should not put in photos of women, in light of kol kevuda bas melech penima, as has been mentioned numerous times, are “insecure and frightened”.

You can come up with sevaras to eat treif, too, or for any aveira or “improper behavior” (the yetzer hara does it all the time, to our detriment). But that doesn’t make the aveira (or impropriety, as the case may be) go away.

Again, we are not radicals and women do appear in the public eye as needed and they live normal happy lives, BE”H, as they drive, work, run errands, etc.

But at the end of the day, a women’s dignity is clearly enhanced if she is not placed in the public eye. That is debatable only if one subscribes to “isms” like “feminism” and “women’s liberation”, which are quite contrary to our Torah. It is also debatable only if one is too “frightened” to submit one’s world-view to conform with, rather than CH”V bend, the Torah.

Some seem to feel that, essentially, it is better that a woman sacrifice some of her dignity so people can see her as a role model or for some other possibly noble purpose. But noble purposes do not override her dignity as a bas melech and, thus, that would seem counter-productive and ultimately, not the ratzon Hashem.

I respect Jakyweb’s position and have taken time to respectfully present my view with regards to Jakyweb’s points. But your comment seems disrespectful and condescending to those who do not agree with you.

HaKatan:

As usual, excellent post.

twisted:

I did not say that your comment was “illogical or intolerant”. I was simply pointing out that saying “Note that as yet you did not receive an apology fron the “ben torah” nor was “helpful” very polite. The discourse will not always be rational and you will see the circling of the wagons.” isn’t exactly the most “polite” thing to say, either.

That said, I will quote you a comment that I would most certainly classify as “illogical and intolerant”, “not always… rational”, “[not] very polite”, etc, etc.

“are you smoking something stale, myfreind? Upended? lost chance? clearly indicated? drivel? You seem to read a lot into plain Q&A. Were you the class bully as a child?”

Recognize it?

None of these papers are Daas Torah. They are merely the viewpoints of various Baalei Batim.

Do any of them present themselves to be otherwise?

The Wolf

Can I revive this topic? I wonder if public perception has evolved in the last 8 years.

“Avoid hard truths” is not the best philosophy.

The quality of the writing in Hamodia is far superior to Yated, and frankly more sane and intelligent.

You mean Isreal sun Baltimore snow home