Yartzeit of the Noam Elimelech

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  • #589608
    kapusta
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    remember to light a candle for R’ Elimelech M’Lizensk. anyone have the complete name?

    #860392
    Jothar
    Member

    I’m a litvak, so no. But hatzlacha rabbah.

    #860393
    kapusta
    Participant

    jothar litvaks can light too… cant hurt 🙂

    #860394
    bookworm
    Participant

    I think more important than to light a candle is to say the tefilah of the Noam Eliemelch: that we should merit to see only the good in others and not what they are lacking. It’s a long tefliah but of course worth every word even if you are a litvack

    #860396
    tzippi
    Member

    Re bookworm: could you or someone post a link to this tefilah? Thanks.

    #860397
    Jothar
    Member

    Kapusta, Moshe Rabbeinu was bigger than the Noam Elimelech but it’s not the minhag to light for his yahrtzeit. We also say tachanun on Moshe Rabbeinu’s yahrtzeit. Why should a Rebbe be treated better than Moshe Rabbeinu?

    #860398
    kapusta
    Participant

    sorry jothar, I was not trying to pick a fight or anything. I was a little upset, see the coffe bean thread. I made (what I consider) a valid point, and you did too. zehu. why not a thread with no fighting? 🙂

    #860399
    Jothar
    Member

    Kapusta, this isn’t fighting, it’s arguing, and not in a squabbly way. It’s a yeshivish milchemto shel torah with no hard feelings. When Rabbi yochanan lost Reish Lakish’s chavrusashaft, he complained that his current chavrusa used to bring raayos instead of stiros. Only by arguing (again, without egos, just leshma)can one get anything clear.

    #860400
    APushetaYid
    Participant

    His full name is Rabbi Elimelech Ben Eluzer!

    #860401
    kapusta
    Participant

    fine jothar, can we settle for discussing? 🙂

    #860402
    Mayan_Dvash
    Participant

    Isn’t the Noam Elimelech supposed to be referred as “Rebbe Reb Meilich”?;

    #860403
    tzippi
    Member

    Boy, these men. Here I am, an almost thoroughbred Litvakess, asking for a link to the tefilla. No drama, just a sincere netiya.

    #860404
    Jothar
    Member

    Agreed kapusta, let’s discuss.

    #860405
    goody613
    Member

    i’m an einekel!and anyways i think he said if u daven by my kever on my yartzeit i’ll go to HASHEM for u

    #860406
    torahtziva
    Member

    goody613: so why didn’t you go??????????????

    #860407
    kapusta
    Participant

    jothar, you first 🙂

    #860408
    Jothar
    Member

    Actually, Kapusta, I thought better of it. A sensible discussion may deteriorate into a litvish-chassidish bashing thread. So let’s just all follow our own gedolim on this. But if you light a candle for the Noam Elimelech, you should definitely light one for Moshe Rabbeinu, who was the greatest member of Klal Yisroel ever (13 ikkarim of the Rambam, Mahara”l in Netzach Yisroel ch.3, etc).

    #860409
    smh1
    Member

    some people refer to him as “the heilege rebbe reb meilich”. Chassidim often light candles for yurtzeits of rebbes, as a way to remember them, and to bring a little light in to teh world, as a memory of the “light” we lost when they were niftar. don’t know if they do it on 7 adar (moshe rabeinu’s yurtzeit). (they do keep a candle lit for a whole year after a parent is niftar.)

    #860410
    chofetzchaim
    Member

    I’m sure that there are kabbilistic reasons for lighting candles but I think that the original minhag of lighting candles for a yahrtzeit is because in the days before electricity, candles were the source of light for the shul and house so it was considered a big zchus to light a candle in order that people could learn Torah. There was a concept of “Ner lamoar”. If someone wanted to learn at night he could only do this while there were candles lit so donating a candle to a shul or lighting a candle in one’s home in order to use it for Torah learning was a zchus for the neshama of the niftar. People can fulfill this nowadays by learning or donating money to a shul/yeshiva.

    #860411
    areivimzehlazeh
    Participant

    I went to Lizensk twice- now I’m afraid to make a chazaka cuz then I’m up the creek without a paddle 😉

    #860412
    David S.
    Member

    also i value the chassidish point of view on the torah, i actually own a mikraos gedolos ‘meorei hachassidus’, with the classical peirushim and targumim aka Onkelos, Targum Yonasan ben Uziel, Yerushalmi, Rashi, Rashbam, Even Ezra, Seforno, Ba’al HaTurim, Or HaChayim, Rabbeinu Bachyay Sifsei Chochomim, Toldos Aharon, and the Ramban, and also a bunch of chassidishe meforshim, like Toldos Yaakov Yosef, the Degel Machane Efraim, the Noam Elimelech, Kedushas Levi (The Berditchever Rebbe, R’ Levi Yitzchok), Avodas Yisroel (Maggid from Koznitz), Meor Einayim (R’ Menachem Nachom from Chernobyl), Pri HaAretz (R’ Mendel ben R’ Moshe from Vitebsk), Ohev Yisroel (R’ Avrohom Yehoshua Heshel), and Meor VaShemesh (R’ Kelonimus Kalman HaLevi Epstein). I missde this thread over the Noam Elimelech’s yartzeit, so now I need to wait for the Rebbe’s next yartzeit to light a candle for him.

    #860413
    kapusta
    Participant

    jothar, I actually am pretty litvish more than chassidish and I dont usually light candles, but I know the yartzeit of the Noam Elimelech is big 🙂

    this is some of the nicest fighting I’ve ever had 🙂

    #860414
    Jothar
    Member

    But if the yahrtzeit of the Nosm Elimelech is big, isn’t the yahrtzeit of Moshe Rabbeniu even bigger?

    #860415
    David S.
    Member

    I will try to light a candle for many tzadikims’ yartzeits, (I couldn’t do all the yartzeits of tzadikim, B”H I’d spend all my parnossoh on yartzeit candles and matches) Moshe Rabbeinu included

    #860416
    kapusta
    Participant

    Jothar I’m with you but I think people just make a lot more noise now than for Moshe Rabbeinus yartzeit… I dont know why though… 🙂

    #860417
    hershi
    Member

    Today is the Yahrtzeit, again, of the Noam Elimelech.

    Another year, and more Yeridos Hadoros. We need Moshiach now! And the return of all our Gedolim to us.

    #860418
    soliek
    Member

    “jothar litvaks can light too… cant hurt :)”

    yes it can…if someone burns themselves

    #860419
    Derech
    Member

    Make a brocho and a l’chaim.

    #860420
    hershi
    Member

    How long ago was The Rebbe Reb Meilich niftar?

    #860421
    longarekel
    Member

    If you can explain why I should light a candle on a yahrtzeit I’ll do so. Yes, this is a general question. btw I once asked the gabbai in a chassidish shul this question after seeng hundreds (literally) of lit candles on the table. He called me a kalte litvak but he could not answer my question.

    #860422
    Ananas12
    Member

    Hershi : 225 years ago ….

    #860423
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Just a short message from ayc: ayc is an ainekel of him, and says that the correct name is R Elimelech ben Elazar Lipman.

    #860424
    farrocks
    Member

    They had last names 250 years ago?

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