YaHarog V'Al Yavor.

The only Mitzvos that are Yaharog V’al Ya’avor are M’chiyas Amalek, Misos Beis Din, and the Go’el Hadam according to one Tanna (am I missing any?).

You’re missing the issurim.

Mr. Mussar,

Sam2 is trying to be helpful by enumerating the Mitzvos where it is a Mitzva to kill, Yaharog. If you want a list of where it is a Mitzva to get killed, Yehoreg, just ask.

to torah umadah

sam2 was possibly pointing that the word you should have used was yehoreg not yaharog as mostly people missay it.

and I am possibly pointing out, this is another dangerous topic.

Torah Umada: I would guess that it’s when you are a witness to someone actually committing the sin, after giving proper hasra’ah, etc. The pasuk says the witnesses are the ones who should carry out the killing.

No Sam2 I think you missed the point…but of course you meant to.

You just didnt want to speak to the OP’s question.

Gloi arayos (can’t discuss it on YWN – it rarely happens except in wartime – unlikely to occur to a soldier in a modern army)

Avodah Zarah (particularly if done in public)

Spilling blood (e.g. if a doctor was order to perform an abortion and threated with death for disobeying – not an everyday issue)

However on all the things that one must give up your life rather than violate, just because you arent’ threatened with death doesn’t mean to ignore them – it means you should be very willing to give up your parnassah to avoid them, since Kal ve’Homer you would be required to give up your life to avoid doing them.

oomis, not that I’m a Rabbi, scholar etc, by any stretch of imagination, it could be that he’s refering to an instance where one killed r”l knowingly, (b’meizid). The Torah states ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????. As opposed to a negligent homicide, where it’s only permitted, outside the Ir Miklat.

You can kill a rodef on the spot. Example: someone is chasing someone else trying to kill him. You can kill the attempted killer. Or someone is going to masser someone else to to the government. Or, similar to Pinchas, you witness an actual maisa znus (eishes ish).

Zees and Oomis: No, murder B’meizid gets Misas Beis Din. There is a Machlokes Tannaim whether the Go’el Hadam killing the Rotzeach is a R’shus or a Chiyuv.

Akuperma: You are wrong on three counts.

1. Giluy Arayos can happen anytime, though any Yeihareg V’al Ya’avor case is incredibly rare nowadays. In face, nowadays Giluy Arayos cases are probably the most common cases of Yeihareg V’al Ya’avor, though I won’t explain why.

2. A”Z is always Yeihareg V’al Ya’avor, whether in public or in private. There is no distinction. The way you said it makes it sounds like there is potential room for the Halachah to be different in private. There isn’t.

3. Performing an abortion would not be Yeihareg V’al Ya’avor according to almost all of the major Poskim aside from R’ Moshe.

shmoel –

Or… you witness an actual maisa znus (eishes ish).

Not only is that incorrect, but you would be liable to the death penalty if you were to kill someone involved in znus with an eishes ish, if they are consenting adults. Only if it is rape does the perpetrator have the halacha of a rodef.

The Pinchas halacha is something else entirely. It only applies to a Jewish man who is being mezaneh with a non Jewish woman in public (at least ten people watching). And even in this case, if the Zimri turns around and kills Pinchas he is justified according to halacha and will not be persecuted. The only thing Pinchas has is the right not to be persecuted if he kills them in his zeal for Hashem’s honor.

Zimri: the guy being mezaneh.

Pinchas: The zealot.

Isn’t the Pinchas halacha/principle more inclusive than just with a non-Jewish woman?

Mermaid: Nope. Habo’el Aramis Kana’in Pog’in Bo. That’s it. Not an Eishes Ish or any other Arayos.

There are some people who say that even issur shabbos is yarog val yaavor

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yamooss-post