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Is it wrong or even asur to be a sports fan??
Can u watch a game on tv?
No. Yes. GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!
There are some issurim that one MIGHT be oiver from being a sports fan. If one avoids these pitfalls, I don’t see why it is ossur.
Issurim include:
Lo Sichonein= issur to compliment, flatter or to praise a non-jew. (this one is the toughest as a sports fan)
Nival peh= using bad language
(words in this catagory creeps into our subconscious minds when hearing how our “heros” speak. happened to me many times, I’m ashamed to admit.)
Negiya= this happens in crowded stadiums, and sports complexes, with people of the opposite gender sitting next to you, or when entering and leaving with the crowd.
these are the MOST common one can be oiver. yes there are more but it’s my personal list.
what Goq?
I thought you would be a NY fan
and btw it’s GO PATRIOTS 😉
Then of couse there’s the story (not sure which Rosh Yeshiva):
Talmid: R”Y, besides Bitul torah, what issurim am I oiver if I go to a ballgame?
R”Y: Bitul Torah.
Talmid: But what issurim BESIDES that. Am I oiver any other lav?
R”Y: Bitul Torah
Talmid: I KNOW bitul torah! I mean BEESIDES that one!
R”Y: NO!! You are oiver on Bitul Torah! Period! There need not BE any OTHER issurim to stop you from going. You’re worried what you will be oiver, yet you push bitul torah to the side and seek OTHER issurim. why?? Is Bitul Torah not BAD ENOUGH for you??!
lesson- it is bitul torah. Add that to my list above. ’nuff said.
If a Sporting event is such a traif place why is Kosher Food served there (With a valid Hechsher)?
You would never see kosher food (With a hechsher) sold at a club
BaalHabooze,
There are some issurim that one MIGHT be oiver from being a sports fan. If one avoids these pitfalls, I don’t see why it is ossur.
Issurim include:
Lo Sichonein= issur to compliment, flatter or to praise a non-jew. (this one is the toughest as a sports fan)
this could be a problem
Nival peh= using bad language
(words in this catagory creeps into our subconscious minds when hearing how our “heros” speak. happened to me many times, I’m ashamed to admit.)
wow I don’t know which teams you follow but i have never heard players say nivul peh and havent repeated it
Negiya= this happens in crowded stadiums, and sports complexes, with people of the opposite gender sitting next to you, or when entering and leaving with the crowd.
these are the MOST common one can be oiver. yes there are more but it’s my personal list.
there is no problem of Negiya if not doing it in a derech of chiba (if what you were saying was true then one couldn’t go in a crowded subway)
lesson- it is bitul torah. Add that to my list above. ’nuff said.
then so is going to the CR
I’ve heard a maaseh of a rav that still got hanah when he heard his team won the championship
it’s only assur of you are a Yankees fan…
What C A ? i thought u were a dolphins fan.
If you are asking for a psak din speak to your LOR.
coffee addict: “wow I don’t know which teams you follow but i have never heard players say nivul peh and havent repeated it”
oh, please. Your posts are usually filled with smart intelligent things to say, but you dropped the ball here. With all due respect, athletes and sports personalities are the lowest of the low together with them hollywood stars and singers. Their mouths reek of a sick vocabulary; during practice, in their personal lives and when playing. Maybe they are more subdued on t.v. being interviewed in front of a camera. But you tell me one athlete with a clean mouth and I’ll show you a thousand!
“there is no problem of Negiya if not doing it in a derech of chiba”
don’t know halacha too well, I’ll be the first to admit. But are you sure about that?? Putting yourself in a matsiv where a large, mixed crowd gathers and high chances of bumping into opposite genders -derech chiba or not, i beleive, must be avoided.
No?
Issurim include:
Lo Sichonein= issur to compliment, flatter or to praise a non-jew. (this one is the toughest as a sports fan)
This applies equally to the bus driver, plumber and politician. It is not a problem inherent with sports.
Nival peh= using bad language
(words in this catagory creeps into our subconscious minds when hearing how our “heros” speak. happened to me many times, I’m ashamed to admit.)
One can (and unfortunately does) hear words that would make ball players blush in the supermarket, restaurant or on the street coming from the mouths of non jews employed by frum jews.
Negiya= this happens in crowded stadiums, and sports complexes, with people of the opposite gender sitting next to you, or when entering and leaving with the crowd.
This happens every thursday night in the kollel store (where I shop) as people try and navigate the store.
these are the MOST common one can be oiver. yes there are more but it’s my personal list.
Yes. these are very common every day problems, that one must be wary of in every day life.
Zahavasdad,
Did you see a good mashgiach there?
BH let me take you to a Mets game ill supply the drinks!
Yes I did , The Hecher for the Mets , Giants and Islanders is the Vaad of Queens
A very valid hescher
Goq,
sorry, I was from New England waaaaay before I moved to miami (the only time im a miami fan of is the heat and that was because I wasn’t interested in basketball until I moved there)
Zahavas,
depends who you ask
JUST KIDDING
Zd,
They also give hashgoha to restaurants with mixed dancing.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with rooting for a sports team, though with several caveats:
1.) Proper context and perspective must be maintained. Many sports fans feel jubilant after their team wins, and depressed after their team loses. Some people feel real hatred towards their team’s rivals, or the rival team’s fans. I think all of this is wrong; it’s just a game, and should be seen as such.
2.) I think a person should root for their team, but not wrap their identity up into the team. This goes for other things too, such as career, school, etc.
3.) Watching a game on television or attending a game can be problematic, due to exposure to pritzus or coarse behavior. This might be a problem with some sports (football) more than others (baseball?).
I personally do follow several teams, but I don’t watch games on television (don’t even have cable/antenna television). I read the recaps and analyses, and sometimes watch the highlights online.
The Kosher Stand in Yankee Stadium is also under the Vad Harabanim of Queens. It’s not worse to go to ball game than it is to go on a train in the summer when there are pretty bad pritzus on the train. So unless you take a taxi to work in the Summer which I heard Rabbi Shlomo Pearl quote I think it was R. Moshe Feinstein but I am not sure than there is no reason why you can’t attend a game if the pritzus problem is the only issue thats stopping you from attending. In general the best thing would be to not be a sports fan but the problem is it’s gets very addicting & hard to get out of & thats why I think at least one of the rabbonim who gave me a hetter to go gave me the hetter at least I am assuming that because that Rav always says in public we shouldn’t go to games.
isn’t there a Rash”i that brings down, on a posuk in chumash, an issur to attend stadiums (so as not to entertain ourselves together with goyim)?
Zd,
They also give hashgoha to restaurants with mixed dancing
No they dont, they are actually quite strict on many things, ie they will not give Haschgacha to places open on Shabbos owned by a Goy (Even Ice Cream Stores)
In fact when a potential convert goes to Rav Belsky, He tells them to go to the Vaad of Queens (They are the ONLY place in the US that has a real convert program)
Id like to know the mekor
the point, again, is a sensitivity. any rov you bring as a rayye is going to be called extreme etc. you wouldnt wear shorts to kol nidrei even if it may be muttar lihalachah.
Eli51
Ever hear of Darka Achrina?
You are not allowed to WILLINGLY expose yourself to pritzus. Taking a train is a must because you have to get to work. You don’t have to go to a game and I don’t think there’s any Rav worth his salt who knows what goes on at a game and what one is exposed to that will give a Heter for men to go.
There have to be Rav’s at games , Who do you think is watching the Haschgacha. Since they serve meat , there must be a Mashgiach Timidi.
And at most kosher restaurants the workers are not usually jewish, But almost ALWAYS I see the workers at the games to be frum young jews either young men with Kippot or occasionaly young women who are obviously frum.
Im not like a rav or anything but I think that you could go 4 a team as long as its not taking away at all from your learning and u dont Idol it than I dont hink theres anything wrong….;0
To WIY
Thats not true because Rabbi once quoted I think is was R. Moshe Feinstein that you should take a cab to work in the summer months to avoid pritzus & since most of us don’t do that cannot say to not go to games to avoid pritzus. I know that is Pirkei Avos Uvemoshav Leitzim & I spoke to a Rav about who is against Internet & does not want anything he says posted the Uvemoshav Leitzim means people who do Stupid things & not necessarily Goyim & you know what I have gone to games where frum jews even a person who looked very Yeshivish did Pritzus things with another frum jew @ the game so those frum Jews I guess could also be considered Uvemoshav Leitzim.
GO YANKEES!!!!!AND GIANTS!!!!!!(still in 1st place!!!)
And Rangers(not such a big hockey fan, but hey, i do live in NY :)!
🙂 Bump:)
For some reason it seems there are alot of Frum Hockey fans, especially the Rangers, maybe even more than Football fans
Ive been known to take it a Ranger’s game here and there but im a Blackhawks at heart.
kapusta: yes, and yes.
Don’t know how far the issur goes, to say thinking is ossur I’d say no. But ask your LOR.
Alan “Shlomo” Veingrad was an offensive tackle for the Packers and the Cowboys after he left football he became a chabadnick and now is a motivational speaker on the Kiruv circuit.
Because he was a Pro football player he can reach many people that others cant.
zdad- you have a knack for posting things unrelated to the thread. his prior career choice and its ability to help him reach people that need to be helped doesnt reflect in any way on the halachic or hashkafik standing of sports.
And a fine tackle he was. I wonder how the frum world will react if/when Eliezer Sherbatov makes it to the NHL.
The point is saying no no no no to everything makes it seems like yiddishkeit is a religion of NO , No you cant. At some point some people say they’ve had enough and go OTD
Not everyone can or wants to sit and learn all day. Pareve diversions are needed.
If you dont like sports, that is fine but dont claim its assur M’daraysa
i hear your point.but it is tremendously lacking in shaychis to your previous post.
Rabbi Wallerstein often talks about his love of the game of hockey and how he loves to play it….someone should ask him his thoughts…
Jets are going down tonight.
Al tismach Yisroel el gil ko’amim (Hoshea 9;1)It is a stain on the yiddish neshoma to be present at a forum that gives importance to narishkeit and the elevation of physicality. This has its roots in ancient Greece, and we had a Channuka, one of it purposes was to eradicate those aping that alien culture. To fill ones head with statistic, names, games, aside from the hilul of the kodesh, it is maarich the golus and doche the geula. Feh.
twisted- peh mapik margolyios
Thank you Toi. I believe this the first time we’ve been on the same page. Goes to show there is always hope among brothers. Shabbat shalom
To all u jets fans i told ya!
For those who are against sports, what Pareve things are OK when you have down time.
If you can learn 16 hours a day 7 days a week kol tov, but most of us cant and need a break to prevent burnout.
it’s all your fault, Goq!! You jinxed them!
😉
If one can find a kosher way to use the treife internet, surely one can find a kosher way to enjoy athletics.
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