Would you take a Russian vaccine?

Bonus question:
If Trump recommends playing Russian Roulette, and says it is safe, would you play?

If they are transparent with the vaccine components, protocols, and testing results, the origins of the vaccine are irrelevant. We seem to be rushing our own vaccines and hopefully the FDA will have the backbone to stand up to pressure from the Trumpkopf to approve anything before election day. Overall, I’d be reluctant to take the beta version of ANY vaccine, whether Russian, American or whatever.

” hopefully the FDA will have the backbone to stand up to pressure from the Trumpkopf to approve anything before election day.”
there you go another example of an evil leftist who wants covid-19 to stay until the election to hurt trump at the expense of people dying

I am all for vaccines, but not from russia. Even if it’s true that we know it works cuz they pre vaccinated their cirizens begore the outbreak and therefore avoided cases til months later. I still wouldn’t want to take it. Not a lot of trust there.

Vaccines aren’t dangerous at all. You could pump babies with them with no side effects. Any “reaction” is just coincidence! Science!

“Vaccines aren’t dangerous at all. You could pump babies with them with no side effects”
Your statement is NOT correct so I’d be careful with repeating it outside the questioning framework of the CR. Certain vaccines CAN trigger very violent and life-threatening reactions in younger children. I understand your general point that vaccines ordinarily would not be very harmful to most of those inoculated, even if they lack efficacy for their intended target but DON’T make absolute statements.

Emunas – yes, I do agree with that statement that once it is proven safe I won’t care where it came from.

“The Trumpies can’t get a consistent message. On the one hand they agree with his anti-science nonsense”
YOU MEAN THE SCIENCE THAT SAYS COVID-19 IS JUST LIKE THE FLU THEREFORE ITS RACIST TO CLOSE THE BORDER TO CHINA,
AND THE SCIENCE THAT SAYS DONT WEAR MASKS BECAUSE IT DOESN’T HELP THEN 2 WEEKS LATER EVERYONE WERE MASKS TRUMPS AN IDIOT FOR NOT WEARING MASKS EVEN THOUGH HES SOCIALLY DISTANT
“and question the efficacy of ALL vaccines.”
ANTI VACCERS IS NOT PARTISAN THERE’S PEOPLE FROM ALL SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM AND IF ANYTHING ITS MOSTLY PEOPLE ON THE LEFT ANDD I AM A STRONGLY AGAINST ANTI VAXXERS
“On the other hand they want to believe Vladimir Putin when he says he has a vaccine and want people to take it even though it hasn’t been proven safe, much less efficacious.”
YOU COULD KEEP HALLUCINATING OF WHAT A I SAID AND KEEP SPEWING FAKE NEWS, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY DONT BELIEVE RUSSIA IS CLOSE TO GETTING A VACCINE NOR WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE IT BEFORE ITS PROVEN EFFECTIVE!!!!!

Silly discussion, blaming politicians from the opposing party. As if the local politicians from your own party had any clue what they are doing.

No, because Russia is a fake country

Som1, I believe there is no need for further discussions. YOUR WORDS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!

“STOP LYING at the begining trump was the only one who did anything about the virus”

That is a lie. Schumer, Biden, and Warren called for action on consecutive days in late January while Trump was at the same time doing nothing except banning Chinese citizens (but not others in China) from traveling to the US, and praising Xi Jinping for how well he was doing with the virus. His next action was to ban testing a week and a half later. He would continue to deny that the virus was a major problem for another five weeks after that. And he obstructed the delivery of medical equipment to where it was needed for another two months.

And the Trunpies complain that De Blasio and Cuomo didn’t shut down early enough even though Trump was at that time denying that there was a problem.

“AND AT NO POINT ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY WAS ANY OF THE HOSPITALS OVERWHELMED”

Another lie. NYC hospitals had to do massive numbers of things they should not have had to do. They had to reuse personal protective equipment, which certainly spread the virus — because Trump obstructed delivery of PPE. They had to transport patients because hospitals were nearly full. They had to discharge patients too early lest they need death panels to decide who was to be denied care. Oh, and Texas now has such death panels. But the Governor of Texas is a Trumpie Republican — apparently Trumpies can decide to kill people and they don’t get criticized.

“before the spike there’s tens of thousands of protesters and rioters in the streets”

After the protests, the rate of new infections, hospitalizations, and deaths in NYC went DOWN. That is because we didn’t open up. In places like Texas they reopened too soon, at about that time. That is how they got death panels. Oh, and the first death panel was in a small county that didn’t have any protests.

“KEEPS ON CHANGING HIS MIND”

As any intelligent person does when evidence shows that a mind should be changed. As Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote, ““A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”.

“Now that the American Academy of Pediatrics ( among others ) has supported school reopening, the unions have dismissed science.”

Also a lie. this is what the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Education Association (NEA) and AASA, The School Superintendents Association, said in a joint statement last month:

“Educators and pediatricians share the goal of children returning safely to school this fall. Our organizations are committed to doing everything we can so that all students have the opportunity to safely resume in-person learning.

“We recognize that children learn best when physically present in the classroom. But children get much more than academics at school. They also learn social and emotional skills at school, get healthy meals and exercise, mental health support and other services that cannot be easily replicated online. Schools also play a critical role in addressing racial and social inequity. Our nation’s response to COVID-19 has laid bare inequities and consequences for children that must be addressed. This pandemic is especially hard on families who rely on school lunches, have children with disabilities, or lack access to Internet or health care.

“Returning to school is important for the healthy development and well-being of children, but we must pursue re-opening in a way that is safe for all students, teachers and staff. Science should drive decision-making on safely reopening schools. Public health agencies must make recommendations based on evidence, not politics. We should leave it to health experts to tell us when the time is best to open up school buildings, and listen to educators and administrators to shape how we do it.

“Local school leaders, public health experts, educators and parents must be at the center of decisions about how and when to reopen schools, taking into account the spread of COVID-19 in their communities and the capacities of school districts to adapt safety protocols to make in-person learning safe and feasible. For instance, schools in areas with high levels of COVID-19 community spread should not be compelled to reopen against the judgment of local experts. A one-size-fits-all approach is not appropriate for return to school decisions.

“Reopening schools in a way that maximizes safety, learning, and the well-being of children, teachers, and staff will clearly require substantial new investments in our schools and campuses. We call on Congress and the administration to provide the federal resources needed to ensure that inadequate funding does not stand in the way of safely educating and caring for children in our schools. Withholding funding from schools that do not open in person fulltime would be a misguided approach, putting already financially strapped schools in an impossible position that would threaten the health of students and teachers.

“The pandemic has reminded so many what we have long understood: that educators are invaluable in children’s lives and that attending school in person offers children a wide array of health and educational benefits. For our country to truly value children, elected leaders must come together to appropriately support schools in safely returning students to the classroom and reopening schools.”

“And also, Som1, don’t let yourself be programmed by the right- wing media which lies even more than the msm when they want to.”
TELL ME ONE LIE FROM THE RIGHT WING MEDIA (OR LEFT WING) THAT I REPEATED

Som1, it was clear from the very beginning (once it appeared in China — before it got anywhere else) that this virus was serious business. It was clear from all the reports — to anybody who is somewhat educated and has his head screwed on right.
New York has a high death toll — true. But once the virus got seeded in NY, there is only so much Cuomo could do. He appears to have done a great job bringing the virus under control BY APPLYING SCIENTISTS-ADVISED PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES !!! IN OTHER PLACES IN THE US IT WAS NOT PROPERLY DONE! Thanks to right-wing lunatics. Just closing the border with China to their nationals was not enough. They reopened in the South against advice of the top doctors who were warning it was going to cause what it did.

“New York has a high death toll — true. But once the virus got seeded in NY, there is only so much Cuomo could do. He appears to have done a great job bringing the virus under control”
yeh like sending nursing home patients that got the virus back into the nursing home which killed tens of thousands of people !!