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October 15, 2012 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #605212lesschumrasParticipant
I almost forgot to point out last weeks pasha had the first chumrah , with tragic results
October 15, 2012 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #899884popa_bar_abbaParticipantThat’s ok; next weeks parsha has the second chumrah (Avraham doing chessed while he was so sick that Hashem even made it too hot for travelers so that nobody would come), to excellent results.
October 15, 2012 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #899885avhabenParticipantThat’s what happens with women. Can’t win.
October 15, 2012 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #899886apushatayidParticipantBecause sheker, ain lo raglayim. As well intentioned as he may have been, the bottom line is, he made something up (I just made this up too and am shooting off the cuff).
October 15, 2012 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #899887zahavasdadParticipantI think its a Medrash that says Adam was wrong. This is not his own chiddush.
It does say you are not supposed to verve from the torah left or RIGHT. Everyone realized there are dangers by allowing to many makels, there needs to be a realization that there are dangers by adding too many chumras as well
October 15, 2012 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #899888☕️coffee addictParticipantthat’s what happens when you put your chumras on others
October 15, 2012 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #899889ZeesKiteParticipantOK. I confess. I was just WAITING for someone to bring this up.
Again. And again.
Let me try to clarify, to anyone with a truly open mind.
To ADD to HaShem’s Mitzvhos (as with all the prerequisites to transgressing to aveira of Ba’al Tosef) is ussor, wrong. That is clearly what Medrash brings on this story, where she ascribed her addendum to HaShem. ?????? ?? ??????. So Medrash brings that passuk from Mishle (forgot it, someting about not meddling into HaShem’s Mitzvhos).
To Safeguard and Protect; that is a Mitzvah. A Mitzvah to put up a fence. ??? ???? ???????. ?? ?? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????.
Indeed the whole Torah is about ??? ???? ?????. (I even think the very first Mishnah introduces that concept). A chumra is not an addendum, one is not “over baal tosef”.
No, to go out on a limb, exert extra effort, extra fervor, extra kavanah is not “another chumra” or baal tosef. It’s our way of showing HaShem our willingness and eagerness to do His bidding, we’re not just doing something to get through. We’re not here on a life mission to get away with the least connection to HaShem.
October 15, 2012 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #899890midwesternerParticipantThe source is Avos D’R Nosson first perek. The tana is elaborating on Asu Syag Latorah. He mentions there four people that made chumros as a syag Latorah. The other three had positive results.
October 16, 2012 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #899891yehudayonaParticipantZD: Verve is a noun meaning energy or vivacity. It’s also a record label. I think you meant swerve.
October 16, 2012 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #899892YiraParticipanti dont know
October 16, 2012 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #899894☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantLesschumras,
How do you deal with the fact that the poskim are constantly writing “tavo alav bracha” on someone who keeps a chumra?
October 16, 2012 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #899895WIYMemberActually what I take from it is that if something is a chumra, tell your wife or whomever that it isa chumra and not the Halacha.
October 16, 2012 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #899896lesschumrasParticipantWty
I agree with you 100%. Chumras ( and kulas ) become a problem when they are taught as if they were the halacha
October 17, 2012 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #899897WhiteberryMemberExtra effort does not mean, making things up and passing them off as the original.
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