Women’s Suffrage Must End

Joseph,

I’m no feminist but women have been voting in this country for nearly the past century. Can you provide a source from a posek or are you once again spouting fake halacha to express your visceral hatred and disdain of females?

If it wasn’t for women in the workforce men would be earning more money because there are less people looking for jobs

Women would stay home and take care of their children, mitigating one of the causes of addiction, that being a stable environment

Women would know their place and wouldn’t try to be “better if not just as good” as men

I can go on but I’m to tired to

Ha! So women should stay home because men are too weak and likely to become addicted? OMG.
Why should the goal be that men should earn more money?

I would comment, but I think Professor Quirrel summed it up quite well when he charged into the Great Hall and fainted.

Joseph,

A full century after suffrage was granted, you will not find a posek calling for its repeal or telling women they can’t vote. On numerous occasions I have seen the wives of Roshei Yeshiva, Rabbonim and Rabbeim voting at the polls.

Admit it, you forgot to take your meds again and this is just more of your misogynist, fake halacha trolling.

“With only men voting we’d have had Republicans in charge of both the presidency and Congress for many consecutive decades by now.”

So if a woman would vote Republican, can she get special permission to vote? Or maybe we should just ban Democrats, and have politicians appointed by a special board of thought police?

Joseph,

I’m quite aware that suffrage was opposed for legitimate reasons a century ago, just as a Jewish state was. Then both came into being and our Torah leaders had to address these new realities. You enjoy resurrecting these old, decided issues just to spout your fake halachic opinions of what is “appropriate and ideal”, when no posek does so. Your odious intent is to troll, divide Jews and express your disdain for females. It’s time to get back on your meds.

Phil, the kind of language that you are using (“take your meds”) is damaging and insensitive to the mental illness community.

Joseph
“Of course they still oppose it, just as much as before, …”

but for the individual who asks what would the y ay,,,
by toeiva marriage?
by women voting?

At Matan Torah, it was the women that Moshe addressed first. The women were also the first ones to donate to the Mishkan through their jewellery. And, with the Yitiyas Mitzrayim, as well as with the final Geulah from this Golus, it is in the merits of the women that we are redeemed. So even though Moshiach, as a Melech, must be “may’ochicha” male and not female, he will be taking direction and under the complete influence of his Rebbitzen.

Joseph, Are you married? If your not maybe you should be. Your position will change very quickly then. Maybe you should also have a nice long talk with your mom.

So perhaps you will change your screen name to RebbitzenMoishiach??

Joseph: what is wrong with women voting? and what is your proof that it failed?

On a serious note, there has been considerable progress among the frum mosdos I have dealt with in the past several years and they are no longer as dismissive of the concerns of the #meto movement within the obvious constraints of Halacha. There is also some great work being done in girls’ schools and seminaries to provide frum young women with an understanding of how to address issues of abuse, subordination and intolerance both as single women and within the context of marriage and the workplace. While some of our regular trollers get off on trying to play their childish word games with women’s rights, the progress that has been made within broad swaths of the frum tzibur is irreversible.

Joseph
“I already explained above why frum women voting is not a stira to the frum opposition to women’s suffrage.”

no you dint and thats not what I asked.

I’ll walk you through it

you started w/ a pretend position that you dont actually believe “Women’s Suffrage Must End” and brought the following to pretend to back it up “Rav Avraham Kook as well as Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld as well as all the Gedolim were opposed to granting women suffrage.”

Phil pointed out “A full century after suffrage was granted, you will not find a posek… or telling women they can’t vote.” (I removed the part not relevant to this point )

you replied “Can you provide any contemporary poskim who rule that toeiva marriage must be illegal? Why would a posek today rule that, which is obvious, when no government will be taking their direction from poskim. Same with women’s suffrage. ”

I pointed out that this in no way addresses Phil’s question.

It may address why there is no call to reverse the general right of woman to vote. (which was only half of phi;’s response)
But it does not at all answer why you can not cite a single Rav who tells women today not to vote.
Your comparison to toeiva marriage falls apart quickly, as while many dont rally against it, no Rav says well now that it is the rule it is ok to get married

eleh mai tiyuvta d’joseph tiyuvta

“So even though Moshiach, as a Melech, must be “may’ochicha” male and not female, he will be taking direction and under the complete influence of his

That could be the tikkun for Adam Harishon listening to his wife and eating from the עץ הדעת or maybe that’s why korach will be כהן גדול when moshiach comes since he listened to his wife

😜

Jam
“It is important to know that women suffrage came together with the feminist movement …… The founding mothers of feminism such as Betty Friedan…”

thanks for the fascinating history lesson

Aye, women in the US got the right to vote in 1920 (after calling for it for decades) and Friedan was born in 1921?

nu nu ah kashe oif ah maisae

as you say “This is a complex topic.”

R yaakov Weinberg is on record having stated more than once
feminism & subsequent offshoots [transgenderism,etc.] is a greater challenge & danger more than
any other travail that we faced over three millennia!

“R Yaakov Weinberg is on record having stated more than once feminism & subsequent offshoots [transgenderism,etc.] is a greater challenge & danger more than any other travail that we faced over three millennia!”

Truth,

Harav Weinberg, zt”l, was absolutely correct, those are our greatest challenges. He also stated publicly that while his Rabbeim and other Gedolim decided it was worthwhile for women to work in order to support husbands in kollel, we can’t deny that decision caused great upheaval to our families and to the entire male/female dynamic.

The question isn’t whether women should be able to vote since we’re a century past that decision. The question is whether that right should now be taken away from them; it takes a posek to make that call, not Josephine.