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I saw a kids book that was printed in EY, WITH A HECHSHER, and there was a hashgafa issue with the book.
its_me
I have my doubts about the authenticity of this “psak” considering that we have video of Rav Shtaynman and Rav Elyashiv being pressured by Rav Yitzchak and refusing to give in to him to assur concerts. I hope the psak isn’t a forgery.
its_me, I don’t think this well informed yid means what you think. in fact your last comment is pretty preposterous – no rav would sign a psak “out of respect” for another rav. emet is emet. I think what he meant was, many times there have been forged signatures of gedolim on letters and posters regarding controversial issues such as this one. i.e., the rabbonim never signed regarding the matter at all. not saying this is the case in this particular situation, just that it’s a strong possibility.
the only issue I agree with here is the mixed concerts. yes, it does make sense considering people like to go as a family with their children, and it is charming that they call it “family seating”, but in reality it’s just just families who are sitting there. and let’s be real, is a family of 6 more likely to miss a concert because mom and dad can’t sit together, or mom takes 2 kids, dad takes 2 kids? what in the world is wrong with that? will someone who attends concerts with their spouse and children please tell me if that would be a problem for them?
Since I’m not sure how clear my last post was, just a few clear points:
1. Although to an extent I hear the goyish music argument, it is a kosher outlet! We are human beings, and although some of you may think you can live with no outlets other than pure shiurei Torah, (I so wish you the best of luck with that in the long run as I have tried it before) most people simply cannot last that way, and proper Jewish music is inspiring and BEAUTIFUL! PLEASE people get a GRIP!
2. I hear how some rabbis may have a problem with concerts in general, but again, this is a form of entertainment which can be kosher when done the right way. This should be something that you consult with your personal Rav for his opinion.
3. Mixed concerts, I think I explained pretty well in my last post – the mixed sections are just not necessary.
Where can I see the aforementioned video
Try shofar.net
its_me; whoa! In no way was i making fun C”V of reb Amnon Yitzchak
Shlita who is a super bal Mekarev, and has brought thousands of yidden back to yiddishkeit.
I was poking fun at stuff that Absolutely do not require a hechsher, but get one, making yidden pay extra, for these
items, the brainchild of some business minded folk who are close
to some beis din or chosuve rov, convincing him of the benefits
of their product L’toivas Ha’klal.
taking advantage of the fact that many yidden especially in E”Y
try to do the right thing on the highest level.
I feel bad for those ppl although they do it l’sheim shomayim & will be greatly rewarded for it, they are still being taken advantage of. Read my earlier post on pg. 1 to see my opinion.
Some of the “psakim” dont sit right with me. What gadol refers to the singer “klipa shmeltzer” like that?
Its_Me. What I meant was, I think the “psak” is a forgery. Rav Amnon Yitzchak and all the gedolim listed dont talk that way, about anyone, no matter what they think of him.
I am under no obligation to believe the “psak” is authentic. If I need a psak, I ask my Rav, I don’t consult the nearest light pole or wall surrounding a construction site.
Its_me
I don’t want to go into details here but if you google around a bit you will discover that some other blogs discuss it and explain why it shouldn’t be taken too seriously.
Personally, I have a Rav he wouldn’t go along with this, and besides, I hardly go to concerts and when I do I always sit with family and we never have an issue of men sitting next to women they aren’t related to.
I always sit with family and we never have an issue of men sitting next to women they aren’t related to.
How is that possible? Your family has a mechitza all around it? Where are the “other” families sitting? Not at where your family ends?
Ben Torah
It works out. The women sit next to women and men next to men. What’s shver?
It’s mixed seating.
It should be noted that all this talk about mixed seating is beside the point, because the newest decree says that even separate concerts are forbidden.
The Wolf
Sadly, the problem with todays generation is that everyone (except me apparantly) takes their guidance from posters on walls. In response to my question, my rav has not told me it is assur to own music from the singers mentioned on some of the posters, and yes he is aware of the posters. When he is in doubt, he asks his Rav, who in turn has not told him it is assur to own or listen to some of the singers mentioned in the posters and websites.
If you choose to get your psak halacha from a poster, so be it. I am under no obligation to believe the poster has accurately portrayed what any of the gedolim whose signatures appear may or may not have said, in fact, I am under no obligation to listen to it either. If my rav instructs me to follow what the poster says, its because he independently verified that the words of the gedolim have not been distorted by anyone to further their own agendas, and I listen to what he tells me. I have no problems with you taking your guidance from something hanging on a wall and in fact believeing it is true. I’ll stick with my Rav and his guidance and their is no chiyuv upon me to follow what someone wrote on a poster, no matter who he claims to represent.
I might change my mind when people who put out these posters put their names on them.
You can always ask the gedolim in question who are named as having assured the concerts. Many are reachable.
Ben Torah,
The bus and train are also mixed seating except that on those you end up often phyically touching a woman who is usually not Jewish and not dressed too Tznius. There are many people who have to put up with this a few times a day every day of their working lives.
If the concert has mixed seating sections where the women sit next to women and the men sit next to men and everybody is anyways focused forwards on the stage what’s the big problem?
WIY: Rav Moshe has a specific psak muttiring sitting on a train/bus next to them for the reason he gives — which are not necessarily applicable to a concert or potentially unruly situation.
Ben Torah
I have never attended or heard of any of the frum concerts (the ones advertised in Hamodia and Yated) ever becoming “unruly.”
No.
(answer to OP)
I highly doubt that any of the Gedolim assured the concerts. It was made up by their mesharism who constantly distort everything that comes from them
Its_me
You are right, they shouldn’t have mixed seating because of the teens. I’m out of my teens and I view a concert as family fun but I hear the potential for problems.
But I still think that non mixed concerts are fine.
“mesharism”
I think you are giving them to much credit.
We know many Rabbonim oppose the Jewish entertainment industry. Are there any gedolim on the record who support these singers?? I haven’t heard of any.
“I haven’t heard of any.”
Lo Rainu aino Raya.
Ask your Rav if you are mechuyav to throw out your collection of music, or some of it? If he says yes, throw it out. When he does, remember, it is a psak for you, nobody else. Anonymous posters gracing the walls of Meah Shearim, Bnei Brak, Boro Park or anywhere else, are just that, anonymous posters that nobody is under any obligation to follow.
“Are there any gedolim on the record who support these singers?? “
Are there gedolim on the record who support the orange juice industry?
Did your Rav issue a psak? Follow it. If not, please dont invent one.
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“Are there any gedolim on the record who support these singers?? “
Pun intended?
The issue is more on concerts than CD’s.
Can you inform us of one who is A-OK with them?
Ben Torah
In a perfect world we would have no need for concerts but in this day and age I think most Rabbanim would say it is permissible. Why would a non mixed concert be a problem unless you say its bitul zman or something, but theres no solid issur. Anyone can be a Kannai and Assur everything in sight.
Remember America is not Eretz Yisroel, the Geodlim there are much more machmir and the realities are different. Remember a concert in Yerushalayim the holiest city on earth that is in Aveilus because theres no Bais Hamikdosh may not be so appropriate, but a concert in Brooklyn, would be fine.
Tell me who ASSURED concerts. Not which poster. Which posek. May I add, the source for the psak can not be a poster, certainly not an anonymous poster making claims in the name of poskim.
its_me
You seem almost happy that this may affect the singers business. Why is this so personal for you?
Its_me
Are you aware that the song Sola Kokosh (spelling?) Is a goyish song yet the holy Kaliver Rebbe shlita sings it? It would seem like its not a problem for a Jew to take a non Jewish song and make it holy.
A Kaliver Rebbe, yes, knows when it is or isnt kosher to use. Chaim Yankel ben Yitzy Lochinkup, does not.
Whatever happened to the halacha that since the churban music is assur accept for a sudas mitzvah?
Who sez sitting next to yur wife in public is muttar even if no other men wll set next to her? Didnt Ezra make takanos that men shouldnt be around their wifes all the time like tarnegolim?
Again, poster psak. If that’s for you, go for it. I’ll ask my Rav.
Mosherose
If you are so crum oops I meant frum why are you wasting your precious time on the internet? You should be busy preparing a chabura or something….
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