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  • #601455
    WIY
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    I was thinking over this whole Beit Shemesh brouhaha and I am wondering, will anything change? Now that the extremist action has been brought to light, will there be a change of attitude or at least a change of action? Or has this whole Chillul Hashem happened for nothing and things will go right back to the status quo?

    Is anything being done to use this situation as a springboard towards developing more sensitivity towards those who are less religious and towards women in general?

    #841031
    gefen
    Participant

    The whole situation is so disheartening! Our people have a lot to learn. It’s so sad to see such sinas chinam. Will we ever learn? Have we learned anything yet?

    #841032
    ayshoshee
    Participant

    it was brought up in our chumash class today and were learning abt the whole rebellion of korach so i think that says something…just because someone is a yid unfortunately does not always mean they are doing the right thing i hope it calms it down but sadly media does not usually helps these situations but hurts them

    #841033
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    I’m getting tired of this already.

    Regardless of what anyone does, there will always people finding ways to put down the “Chareidi” community.

    It’s a silly, moot point. Stop actively condemning. Just have some shtoltz, live your own life, and don’t feel guilty about the fact that there are a few lunatics somewhere doing something wrong that you cannot prevent in any way.

    The only reason one would get so involved is because one accepts the absurd premise that somehow their actions reflect on who we are. How stupid. Just ignore those bigots.

    Next…

    #841034
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Everybody listen to yitaynigwut.

    #841035
    apushatayid
    Participant

    Charedi bashing? This is crazy bashing.

    #841036
    WIY
    Member

    yit

    “The only reason one would get so involved is because one accepts the absurd premise that somehow their actions reflect on who we are. How stupid. Just ignore those bigots.”

    You know that’s not how it works. If 1 Jew does something bad and it makes it to the news the non Jews trip over themselves to point fingers at Jews in general and paint us all with that same brush. We have an obligation to uphold our reputation and to denounce those among us who tarnish it.

    You know good and well what a big chillul Hashem Madoff created even though he wasnt even a practicing Jew. All the more so, these “chareidim” are creating an even bigger chillul Hashem as they supposedly represent ultraOrthodox super strict Torah observers.

    Lack of a response is tacit approval.

    #841037
    yitayningwut
    Participant

    WIY –

    Nothing will change. No condemnation will change anyone’s minds. I accept that some form of condemnation is necessary if only to disassociate ourselves from these people for political reasons, but a one paragraph public statement should suffice. For us regular people, there’s nothing we can do anyway, and dwelling on it and feeling guilty is silly and only playing into the hands of some very cynical, hypocritical, and bigoted people.

    #841038

    What I found ironic was that at the Chareidi protest against discrimination (where they had folks dressed in concentration camp uniform), they had thousands of protesters. And it was all male. Yet at the Daati protest in RBS a few days earlier against the kanoyim, they only had a few hundred protesters even thought they allowed a mixed crowd. What do you attribute the Chareidim’s ability to bring out far greater numbers?

    #841039
    aries2756
    Participant

    No, I’m afraid nothing will change since everyone thinks they are right.

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