Why should I be proud to be Jewish?

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    Bored214
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    Someone asked me this question as they need to explain this to a group of non affiliated/3 days a year (Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur) type of jewish group. what would you answer?

    #971281
    Chochom-ibber
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    From a non-affiliated point of view Id say: Think of it as an exclusive close knit family/club. We have gone through tons, we have sacrificed for each other. For thousands of years our ancestors sacrificed for us, and we continue in their ways. As communities go you wont find a more helping one. Agudah Achas, Ahavas Yisroel. Without getting into The Chosen People shmooze.

    #971282
    oomis
    Participant

    One of the main reasons is that Jews are the most compassionate and caring people in the world, whose chessed and tzedaka are disproportionate to our numbers. We get those Middos from Avraham Avinu and Sara Emainu. We also are disproportionately the greatest contributers of scientific advances and discoveries, in relation to the rest of the world. That, too, is not an accident.

    #971283
    LevAryeh
    Member

    From a purely politically correct standpoint, there are many mushy answers you could give. Any spin on what the people above me wrote would work.

    In truth, though, you’ve asked a stumper. Why would a completely irreligious Jew be proud to be Jewish?

    We say every night in Krias Shema Al Hamitah, “Ve’Atah Hashem magen ba’adi, kevodi u’merim roshi…” Hashem is my source of pride. That’s the source of Jewish pride.

    Without God, what is a Jew?

    That being said, an American takes pride in his/her country’s accomplishments. A black person will take pride in black people’s accomplishments.

    So you could point out to this group in plain statistical terms the huge percentage of “accomplishments” which Jews have garnered. Think Hollywood, Nobel prize winners, leading medical researchers, and even the military power of the IDF.

    Though this is not the true Jewish pride we as religious Jews strive for, it can definitely instill a feeling in them that God is clearly on our side.

    #971284
    Toi
    Participant

    one word. herring.

    #971285
    nfgo3
    Member

    Re post by Toi: If Jews invented herring, I might agree with you.

    Pride in being Jewish is as unsound as any other form of ethnic pride, or any pride in anything other than one’s own accomplishments. I did not survive a concentration camp, or a pogrom. I did not discover penicillin or the theory of relativity, I did not write the Mishneh Torah or the Shulchan Aruch.

    I give tzedukkah – that is something to be proud of. Hashem requires me, as a Jew, to give tzedukkah – that is nothing to be proud of, unless I do it. Hashem gives me a Jewish soul – that is nothing to be proud of. Hashem requires me to put on tefillin – that is nothing to be proud of, but putting on tefillin – that’s something to be proud of.

    #971286

    Should I be proud if I am a non-Jew?

    #971287
    writersoul
    Participant

    LevAryeh: that is EXACTLY what I was thinking. I just didn’t have time to write it.

    Why should someone who isn’t affiliated be proud to be Jewish? Why be proud of something you demonstrate that you couldn’t care less about?

    The ONLY thing I can think of is what you mentioned about accomplishments. It’s like when an alumnus/a of your school from ten years ago goes on to do something famous and every time you hear their name, you’re like, “Wow! That’s so cool! I KNOW that person!” even though you two never met in your lives. You just went to the same school ten years ago, but the school is a community you identify yourself with so that you identify with other members of the community. But I think that’s coming at it from the wrong angle. First you need to establish the connection, the feeling that it’s important that I’m Jewish just like he is. If Judaism isn’t an important part of your life in the first place, why would I care about or identify with someone who’s Jewish?

    So the first step would seem to be to get the people to identify with being Jewish. But how do you do that? By making them proud to be Jewish. And so the cycle continues.

    But either way, nfgo3, I so agree with you, happens to be.

    #971288
    mdd
    Member

    Writesoul, many Jews, especially, outside of the US define Jews as an ethnic group and lav davka a religious one. I know, I know — the kanoim are already going crazy…

    #971289
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    I always wondered why it is that people feel pride when a local sports team wins. I’m not talking about big fans, but people who might not even be able to name one player on the team. For example, if a little league team from Brooklyn goes to the Little League World Series, everybody in Brooklyn, and even throughout NY, is so proud of them even though they had never even known of their existence until now. But when they hear that this “local” team won, they feel pride. This seems to be a natural thing that people feel a connection to the people who they have some sort of “shaychus” to. This shaychus can be that they live in the same city or country (olympics) or it could be that they are somehow “related”. That same pride can be felt about “family” even if it is family that you’ve never met. And all Jews are “family”.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with Judaism itself, it is just a natural feeling. Once a person has that feeling you can try to use it to bring them closer to the religious part of the religion.

    #971290
    Bored214
    Participant

    Wow thanks people! these are great points. LA – that was my exact problem, we as jews feel proud because we know what the torah is really about and because being jewish is so intrinsic to us we just do feel proud, and cant necessarily explain why, but we cant exactly say to them you dont understand it because you dont understand th torah.

    Mod 42 – i love your point about supporting the teams, its a great mashal.

    I did come across a great article on ikehilla which had a list of 18 reasons why it’s great to be jewish.

    So i’m trying to work along the lines of jewish values, jewish families, jewish communities, though they are not unique to being jewish they originated from the jewish people (refer to Ken Spiro’s book it’s excellent) and by virtue of being jewish they are automatically a part of the “jewish familY”, and families feel connected and responsible for each other and in the dynamics of family relationships, relationships are about giving in order to love and i’ve focused on the multitude of chesed organisations created by jews, the concept of gemachs etc,

    what do you think?

    ps – anyone heard the shlockrock song – the tug – it could be from Abie Rotenberg originally, it’s a great song which really encompasses what we’re trying to say.

    #971291

    Charles Short,

    Of course. Also, you should be proud to be a human being.

    #971292
    daivd
    Member

    because you HASHEM’S child

    (what a stupid question )

    #971293
    heretohelp
    Member

    @david wrote “because you HASHEM’S child

    (what a stupid question )”

    And an equally stupid answer. For starters, everyone is Hashem’s child. For another thing, that is not an accomplishment.

    #971294
    heretohelp
    Member

    @david wrote “because you HASHEM’S child

    (what a stupid question )”

    And an equally stupid answer. For starters, everyone is Hashem’s child. For another thing, that is not an accomplishment.

    #971295
    writersoul
    Participant

    mdd: True, but I was taking “unaffiliated” at face value. Of course, if the people already identify with, well, I guess a way to put it could be Judaism as opposed to Yiddishkeit, then your job is made a lot easier.

    It’s if Judaism is an absolute nothing in your life (as was my probably unfounded assumption) that you’re REALLY in trouble.

    Once one has some form of Jewish identity this all becomes a lot easier.

    #971296
    oomis
    Participant

    Everyone is Hashem’s child, but not everyone give Him Kibud Av.

    #971297
    LevAryeh
    Member

    @nfgo3 As the mishna in Avos says (don’t remember the exact lashon) Im lamad’ta Torah harbeh al tachzik tova l’atzmecha ki lekach notzarta.

    #971298

    Thank you for not making me a fungi.

    #971299
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    For starters, everyone is Hashem’s child.

    Not necessarily, as was well explained >>HERE<<.

    #971301
    rebdoniel
    Member

    We brought ethical monotheism into the world. Our faith is that of patriarchs, prophets, and priests. We preached a G-d of justice and eternity and love in a day when others believed in capricious and fickle deities. That’s an awful lot to be proud of.

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