Why R' Rechnitz is incorrect

Of course the Moetzes is for the klal, and in their roles as Moetzes members, this is their focus. As roshei yeshiva, their focus needs to be on the yeshiva, and as rebbeim, on their talmidim. They often have roles as husbands and fathers as well. Sometimes there can be a conflict of interest between their various roles, and they have to do their best to figure out what the ratzon H’ is.

So you are going back to my original argument, that since there is a conflict between what is good for the Klal and for the individuals, they have decided that individual Limmud HaTorah (and therefore maintaining the imbalance of available boys to girls) is more important in the eyes of Hashem?

To quote myself:

As I have said in the past, the Roshei Yeshiva (specifically BMG) are very happy to have an imbalance between boys and girls; it allows boys to stay in learning longer, and allows them to stay in Bais Medrash instead of needing to be able to support a family before dating.

There’s a big difference; you are making it sound as if the imbalance is a positive side effect, while I am saying that it is a negative one.

That is girls not being married (sure, bad thing). The results of a solution would be even worse (L’shitasam), thereby making the status quo a positive.

Of course if the problem could be solved in a vacuum they would do it. However, it is tied into everything else that is “top top priority” (Baboker Baboker), so they do nothing.

It may be a “top priority” for every Rosh Yeshiva (questionable, as the programs circumvent the yeshivos instead of working with them), but there is no buy-in from any Rosh Yeshiva for a solution that affects their own Bochrim. Sounds like PBA is correct, or “top priority” is Lashon Sagi Nahor.

Sorry, I’m not buying it. Neither is any Rosh Yeshiva, who may cry and cry, but isn’t lifting a finger to act.

I disagree. I don’t think they are weighing the positive impact on the klal vs. the negative impact on the klal. I just think that they don’t feel that they should advise someone to do something which is not necessarily in that person’s best interest.

Fine. Even if we disagree on the motives (you say it’s because they believe individuals should remain in learning, I say because they believe the Klal should remain in learning), the L’maase is that the Roshei Yeshiva don’t believe that anyone should be dating earlier due to this problem. Not one has put anything into action. So PBA is correct.

P.S. At best, it is the same as the shittah regarding going to the army, where they agree hypothetically that there may be some who should go, but no one has ever been told “go”.

but no one has ever been told “go”.

This is not true.

Popa, again, from RSYR:

Every one of them clearly understands the issues

and:

Understandably, they have many considerations and concerns regarding their bochurim that they must strongly factor in any decision.

He is telling us that the roshei yeshiva clearly understand the issues and told him that it is naarishkeiten until someone brings forward some real data.

Have you gotten a chance to read his original article yet? (You originally criticized it without reading it, so it’s a fair question.) In it, he agrees to age gap theory. So, if he says that the roshei yeshiva understand the issues, he means that they agree to age gap. Unless you’re also accusing him of lying, in which case I can’t understand why you would be so proud to be a member of the same klal Yisroel as him.

I don’t hope so. I don’t think there should be a school curriculum on what marriage is.

I’m with popa on this one. Best is by example, supplemented by vaadin or one on one sessions of shidduch involved bochurim with rebbeim.

The roshei yeshiva agreed that it is hard for girls to find guys they want to date who are willing to date them.

Please.

I also agree. Nobody could possibly disagree.

Why? Do you have a study?

The way I see it there are two solutions to the “shidduch crisis”

1. You didn’t have such a crisis years ago because the average person didn’t have the means to send his son to Israel to learn. Lakewood and other yeshivos if they really want to solve the crisis should make a rule that they won’t accept any American boys who go to learn in E”Y first. Then the boys will be in America at an earlier age, satisfy the freezer requirement earlier, which indeed is necessary to weed out boys who just want to use lakewood for a few months for a quick shidduch and start dating earlier. Then those who want can go to Israel for kollel with a wife.

2. People’s shidduchim are preset for them when they are children like in the old days, then everyone knows that they are going to marry a certain person. Of course, if one side ends up having a problem (medical, drastic hashkafa change from family, etc.) then those people would need shidduchim like we have nowadays but the number would be drastically reduced.

Still trying to find out details about Mr. Rechnitz’s shadchanas incentive project. If Mr. Rechnitz or someone who knows him is reading this, can you please indicate where the details can be found. Thank you. Gmar Chasima Tova to all!

Frankly it doesn’t really matter if Rechnitz claims the RY know the issues or not. Rechnitz himself is a hopeless layman in these areas of knowledge, I don’t see why his endorsement adds any credibility to the issue. Perhaps we should get Derek Jeter to opine as well, since he is an even bigger celebrity than Rechnitz and has even more money (though nothing in the charity department).

You know what type of person (in terms of background and training) we should be seeing these articles from, but none have ever come forward. And it is glaring.

whats rechnitz’s point? all hes doing is CAUSING a crisis.

think…………..if there are more girls born yearly then it makes sense why many arernt getting married.

(good observation. no???)