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zahavasdad – their are yeshivish people who drive. you dont have to be mo to drive. and mo is nothing like reform.
many Chaddish women dont drive.
But I think you missed the point, there are things that are really takanas not Halachas and they do drive people away. We are not supposed to veer from the torah from the left or the right. People have no problem not veering to the left, but the veer to the right all the time and sometimes too much
There are such Takanas
One of the problems today is we want to understand the why….when we say ani mamin we say we beleive …not we understand..and thats the difference between jews and non jews…non jews will do what has meaning for them what they understand..but with us jewish people one of our greatness is we beleif… if we do or dont understand…we follow the tora because Hashem says, I dont have to understand the why…an example look at our forfathers abraham ,he had 10 major nisyounas ,he had a lot of questions especialy when he was told to bring his son for a sacrafice…but..his greatness was ..he did not understand..and didnt ask questions..and just went to do hashems wish…how beautiful was this in hashems eyes that till today we still cherish that zachis…let his zachis help us we should beable to withstand our nisyonas in our days..amein
zahavasdad – which is why they get stranded at walmart and have either me or some other nice frum girl come get them. they better get themselves a license and car.
Sparky: “lilmod ulelamaid – if you knew what i go thru and i still am frum and what i went thru and still am frum than you wouldnt say well they have issues and so on believe me i know MANY girls who went otd who had much better lives than me.”
Sparky, you don’t really know that they had better lives than you. There are so many things you can’t and don’t know. There are so many factors involved. Also, even if they had better lives than you, they may have been faced with nisyonos that you weren’t.
lilmod ulelamaid – i still doubt it.
“Al tadun es chaveircha ad shetagia l’mkomo”
I dont know if this person went OTD or not , but I know of someone who was beaten and neglected by their mother and now lives in a Foster Home.
lilmod ulelamaid – okay. but im just saying that if that person actually believed in Hashem then they wouldnt have gone otd.
I’ve seen it. Several times. Often accompanied by the line “dyslexics of the world, untie”.
sparkly.. I beleive you went through the worst that you can imagine..it must of been the impossible…but one thing for sure be PROUD of yourself that you passed or are still passing your nisoin and you stayed close to hashem!!!!you shall be the one to cherish one day your rewards…hashem knows every ones challanges every ones thoughts every split secound …and nothing stays in vain…hashem is close to the ones that are close to him especialy in times of challange…just keep it up and be strong…
Sparkly, I know people who believe in Hashem and are OTD. They want to come back and many do.
At the same time, I second Absan’s post. Yasher Koach to you for staying Frum! The harder your challenges were, the greater your reward will be. And the reward is unbelievably great to begin with even w/o challenges!!!
absan – amen i actually still am in the nisayon unfortunately. i dont think ill be out of the nisayon till im like at least 30.
Some people stay frum because of all the challenging nisayons they have been through. Holding onto their yiddishkeit gives their struggle meaning.
lightbrite – some people its because they have such strong emunah in Hashem.
the truth…we cant take a breath without hashems wish…so how is it possible to turn away from the one who gives you life …
absan – finally someone realized what i was trying to say….
oh! thank you Sparkly feel free anytime…
absan – no problem.
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