Why Moshiach didn’t come after the holocaust.

Because of the Zionists.

I’m not saying as such; the Gedolim said so.

I think we should bring Obama back as president of America. He’s the best person for the job

HaKatan said:

“Both the Satmar Rav and Brisker Rav stated the reason
was that Jews prayed for the Zionist idol “State”
to come into being instead of praying for Moshiach,
and that Moshiach would (not just could) have come then.”

MY RESPONSE:
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Considering that neither one of them was a Navi [prophet],
how could they have so much detailed knowledge,
and such certain knowledge, of Cheshbonei Shamayim?

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In a conversation with the Satmar Rav, shortly after his talk
on the U.N. declaration, Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
was subjected to the sharpest criticism for his “Zionist leanings.”

Later he told his family, “I could have answered him [the Satmar Rav]
Chazal for Chazal, Midrash for Midrash,
but I did not want to incur his wrath,
for he is a great man and a tzaddik.”

He added with a twinkle, “And besides, he has a fiery temper”…

SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 335 to 336)
by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001,
based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

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Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz was the founder of Torah U’Mesorah
and became principal of Yeshiva Torah Vodaas in year 1921 CE.
His career in Yeshiva Torah Vodaas lasted 25 years.
He was known as “the premier architect of Torah in American history.”
He left this world in 1948 CE at the age of 62 years.

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Once full-scale war broke out after the State of Israel declared
its existence on May 14, 1948 [CE] Reb Shraga Feivel’s [Mendlowitz]
thoughts were never far from Eretz Yisrael.

A group of students saw him outside the Mesivta building one day,
talking excitedly with Rabbi Gedaliah Schorr and
gesticulating rapidly with the newspaper held in his hand.

“If I were your age,” he [Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz]
told the students, “I would take a gun and go to Eretz Yisrael.”

SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 338) by Yonoson Rosenblum
for Artscroll / Mesorah, year 2001, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

Ein Yisrael nig’alin ela bi tshuva.

Hayom …. im bekoli tishma’un.

Thats why mashiach did not come.

At least -thats what chazal say .

@smerel
it’s very simple:

1) the zionist movement was an explicit breaking of the “three oaths” whose punishment is stated in the gemura as “[Hashem] will allow your flesh like wild animals”

2) the zionists ensnared otherwise frum people, which would warrant punishment to the “sonnei yisroel”, in contrast to the actyion of secular people who are not part of “am yisroel”. In other words, the punishment is not so much because of what so evil heretics did, it’s because of the help and endorsement of the religious Jew, r”l.

Another set of reasons DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM why Mashiach didn’t come after the Holocaust and we are still in exile even 80 years after the Holocaust sadly

I see no reason why Hashem should give us back the בית המקדש. Hashem goes to one person sitting in this corner, he has beautiful children he already bought his house he has a car, he’s so happy he’s not grieving over my בית המקדש that’s 1 less person for my בית המקדש. The next person sitting at this corner has beautiful children he loves to learn & has a rich Father-in-law supporting him he’s so happy hes not grieving over my בית המקדש thats 1 less person for my בית המקדש. what is Hashem saying to his Malachim? just look at my children down there look how happy they are i gave them everything cars, planes, computers, Electricity & phones Etc… forget if they are Makir Tov (Grateful) for everything i give them that is not today’s lesson, Let me leave my בית המקדש up in heaven with me when my children cry for it i will give it back to them, but right now look how happy they are. A perfect Mashal would be if a Principal in a Cheder took away a ball from a boy, because he was hitting people with it. If he went to the Principal & said i’m sorry i just want to have fun i won’t hit anyone with it. I give you my word he will give him his ball back. Do you think the Principal needs it? He already has a whole basket of balls sitting in his office. Hashem is waiting for Klal Yisroel to wake up & do תשובה, the gates of תשובה are never closed, the worst kings of Klal Yisroel did תשובה at the end of their life yes, Achav & Menashe look at them, after 30 years of avoda zora Menashe cried & wept out all the way from his heart for teshuva from Hashem & Hashem accepted it WHY? Because he really meant it. Hashem is waiting for Klal Yisroel to do תשובה. Hashem is waiting for the day to put his presence back in this world & bring us back the Bais Hamikdosh but we just don’t seem to be ready.

ANOTHER REASON
in yiddishkeit, if a person wants something (be it a livlihood, shidduch or child etc…) a person needs to do more then just daven & say tehillim, anyone could just take out a siddur or Tehillim. The person needs to also YEARN for it.-sadly- in today’s society we are living in, we are not YEARNING for the Bais Hamikdosh, we have everything from planes to cars & computers etc… even the gift of Shabbos for Gashmius to sleep & relax etc… HASHEM SAYS to klal yisroel, come back to me when your ready & ask me for something from your HEART & i will give you whatever you want. (i’m sure if your child came to you for something you would get it, why wouldn’t you? the love between a parent & child is unlimited…. & that’s the way Hashem loves EACH & EVERY ONE OF US that’s why we call Hashem, Avinu She’bashamayim our FATHER IN HEAVEN cause Hashem loves his children klal yisroel like a father.)
All of us have heard, read & seen tons of true stories of people who had their first child at 42 or had a sick child in critical condition, & then the doctor says i’m very sorry but your daughter has only 3 hours to live & then he comes back 2 hours later & says its really a miracle but your child is beginning to recover etc…. Why is it that they finally had a child & the child recovered? There could be tons of answers, but the most common answer Is a Pasuk we say 3 times a day in Davening. “Hashem is close to all who call to him, to all who call out truthfully.” (Tehillim 145)Because they cried out from their heart, they really meant what they were saying when they davened to H-shem to have a baby or for his daughter to recover etc…. there’s a reason we call Hashem, Avinu She’bashamayim (our father in heaven) Hashem loves us from a father to a son & is waiting to put his Shchina (presence) & his bais hamikdosh back in this world. If we really cried out for the Bais Hamikdosh from our heart with truth & show that we are missing it, then we wouldn’t still be in Golus today.

Another REASON DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM why Mashiach didn’t come after the Holocaust sadly and the message comes directly from the Torah written THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO

THE MESSAGE
The holy Zohar states that starting from the beginning of the torah, each posuk relates to a year in the jewish calender-starting from the first pasuk being year 1 etc…-I am just going to mention a few pesukim & they are the pesukim relating to the hebrew year that comes out in the English year from 1939-1945 (WW II). It begins in parshas Netzovim perek 29 pasuk 22. each pasuk relating to that year. 1-1939) Sulphur & salt a conflagration of the entire land, it cannot be sown & it cannot sprout, and no grass shall rise up on it; like the upheaval of sodom & gomorrah, admah & Zeboiim, which Hashem overturned in his anger & wrath 2-1940) And all the nations will say, “for what reason did Hashem do so to this land; why this wrathfulness of great anger?” 3-1941) And they will say, “because they forsook the convenant of Hashem, the god of their forefathers, that he sealed with them when he took them out of the land of Egypt; 4-1942) And they went and served the gods of others and prostrated themselves to the-gods that they knew not and he did not apportion to them. 5-1943) So gods anger flared against that land,to bring upon it the entire curse that is written in this book; 6-1944) And Hashem removed them from upon their soil, with anger, with wrath, and with great fury, and he cast them to another land, as this very day 7-1945) The hidden -sins- are for Hashem, our god, but the revealed-sins- are for us and our children forever, to carry out all the words of this torah. Now if I skip 3 years to 1948 which pasuk comes up? (perek 30 pasuk 3) the 3rd pasuk in Parshas Hateshuva-which i’m sure a lot of us here say every day-what does that pasuk mean? Then Hashem will bring you back from captivity, & he will have mercy on you & he will once again gather you in from all the people that Hashem scattered you around. Now what happened in 1948? Israel became a state of independence & millions were gathered & brought back to Israel. I would now like to move forward to the pasuk that relates to the year that 9/11 happened. What does that pasuk say? Is it to hashem that you do this, O vile & unwise people? Is he not your father, your Master? Has he not created you firmed you? What is this pasuk telling us relating to the generation of todays society & 9/11 happening? In todays society we all depend on others (from Rebbe’s to money etc…) & do not depend on Hashem-turning to him when we need help-causing us to lack in one of the most fundamental parts of Yiddishkeit. The part of Betuchin & Emuna (faith & trust in Hashem). Last but not least I would like to go to the pasuk relating to the year of 2011. What does the pasuk say? They (klal yisroel) would provoke his (Hashem) jealousy with strangers; they would anger him with abominations. What does this pasuk tell us relating to the generation of todays society? The same message as 2001 & that message is that Today-sadly-we turn to other things/people for help lacking our dependance in turning STRAIGHT to Hashem for help-rather its through tefilla or teshuva etc…-& are R”L an abomination to Hashem. Now that everyone knows which pesukim relate to which year-in the Hebrew calender-everyone is now free to look up any pesukim & see what Hashem says for that year. How many years will it be until Mashiach comes?

Reb Smerel amush,
Your question is very good, and I will explain beH.
In Nach Shoftim (chapter 19 et al) the sad story in Pilegesh BeGiv’ah is very similar to that of Sedom in the Torah.
Yet, Hashem destroyed Sedom, but not The Binyaminites.
The question is asked by many, What is the difference.
The answer given by the Akeidas Yitzchak, written by one of the Rishonim, was often cited by HaGaon HaRav Ya’akov Kaminetsky zt”l.
In Pilegesh BeGiv’ah, there were a bunch of hoodlums who did immoral things. It was the obligation of the Judges of the area to punish them for violating the Laws of the Torah. Since they did not, the Judges themselves were punished by the other tribes of Israel.
In Sedom, it was the rulers themselves who were corrupt and who created an immoral system of justice to rule the land.
Such a situation is intolerable, and Hashem destroyed them totally.

This is the answer to your question. Certainly, through the ages, the Orthodox fought against all of the anti-Torah groups, with great difficulty, and sometimes at the risk of their lives.
But they were all individual groups.
However, the Zionists created a State with a legal system of laws that are contrary to the Torah (and in Eretz Yisrael, no less). This is a very grievous sin which can bring calamity on the masses chas veshalom.

The question is better than any answer that may be offered. To blame the delay in moshiach’s arrival on zionists is total shtus and may border on kefirah.

@smerelit’s very simple: 1) the zionist movement was an explicit breaking of the “three oaths” …

This doesn’t answer my question. Why does Hashem have so much more issue with breaking the “three oaths” (according to some) than breaking EVERYTHING that is unquestionably musbah v’oimed m’har Sinia according to EVERYONE. Why is an explicit breaking of the oath made by Har Sinai of so much less importance than the three oaths? Bonus extra credit question. Everyone agrees that the non-Jews haven’t kept their part of the three oaths. Why does Hashem not pour his fury on them for not keeping the three oaths to? Why is fury limited to Jews -even those who had nothing to do with the Zionists-but withhold obvious punishment for non-Jews clearly guilty of the same?

>>>2) the zionists ensnared otherwise frum people, which would warrant punishment to the “sonnei yisroel”

Even if the accusations in the most vitriolic anti-Zionist rhetoric were true , the Zionist were still tzadeky elyon compared to groups like the Yevsektsiya and ensnared a very small fraction of frum people compared to groups like Reform

@smerelit’s very simple: 1) the zionist movement was an explicit breaking of the “three oaths” …

This doesn’t answer my question. Why does Hashem have so much more issue with breaking the “three oaths” (according to some) than breaking EVERYTHING that is unquestionably musbah v’oimed m’har Sinia according to EVERYONE. Why is an explicit breaking of the oath made by Har Sinai of so much less importance than the three oaths? Bonus extra credit question. Everyone agrees that the non-Jews haven’t kept their part of the three oaths. Why does Hashem not pour his fury on them for not keeping the three oaths to? Why is fury limited to Jews -even those who had nothing to do with the Zionists-but withhold obvious punishment for non-Jews clearly guilty of the same?

>>>2) the zionists ensnared otherwise frum people, which would warrant punishment to the “sonnei yisroel”

Even if the accusations in the most vitriolic anti-Zionist rhetoric were true , the Zionist were still tzadeky elyon compared to groups like the Yevsektsiya and ensnared a very small fraction of frum people compared to groups like Reform

smerel asks excellent questions which rbzs tries to explain but the answers are not satisfactory. Many liberals in the “justice system” and government today do not consider themselves Zionists btw, but even if they did, the secular Zionists are also just another anti-Torah group and the frum Zionists are not anti-Torah bechlal.

Are the Reform who have been around since the mid 19th century and caused many, many more Jews to assimilate than than the Zionists ever did, not worse than the Zionists? And now these Reformers who have entrenched themselves in the West are trying to spread their tentacles in Israel to assault the traditional, but not Chareidi, Sephardim and Mizrachi in Israel.

Creating a state with laws contrary to the Torah is bad, but I don’t see how it’s worse than others have have led millions more Jews astray.

This is a thread for the prophets.

Indeed, all the prophets have arrived, like bees to honey.

Why does nobody ever blame The Holocaust [Shoah]
on the thousands of Jews who intermarried with Gentiles?

Why does nobody ever blame The Holocaust [Shoah]
on the thousands of Jews who converted to Christianity?

Why does 100% of the blame for The Holocaust go on
“The Zionists”, even though they were trying to help Jews.
but 0% of the blame goes on Jews who intermarried with Gentiles,
and 0% of the blame goes on Jews who converted to Christianity?

Mashiah was supposed to come but the Zionists prayed for a state and Hashem listened to them instead of bringing Mashiah? That’s an insane take. No pro Hamas rallies can be surprising after realizing the mekor of their philosophy can be found here on YWN

Empty Wagon by R y shapiro is not much more than its title : EMPTY
It’s full of misquotes.

“In [year]1948 [CE], after the Arabs attacked the newly declared
Jewish state and soldiers were falling on the battlefield,
several Roshei Yeshivah taunted Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz]
for having recited the blessing [HaTov VeHaMeitiv].

Reb Shraga Feivel turned to Rabbi Aharon Kotler, who agreed
with him that the U. N. resolution [to establish a Jewish State
in Eretz Yisrael in year 1948 CE] was indeed worthy of the blessing.”

SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz,
the architect of Torah in America (chapter 26, page 331, footnote 3,
heard from Rabbi Nesanel Quinn) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 of the Common Era, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965

smerel has made an excellent point.

The Holocaust [Shoah] was from the 1930s to 1945 of the Common Era.

The State of Israel declared independence in 1948 of the Common Era,
with the approval of both The League of Nations (indirectly) and
The United Nations (directly) and recognition from the USSR & the USA.

Why should 6,000,000 European Jews be killed,
because of an event that happened years AFTER they died?

When we consider that only a small percentage of European Jews
were active Zionists, blaming the Holocaust on the Zionists
becomes even more difficult to accept.

Last but not least:

If The Holocaust really was the fault of the Zionists,
then The Holocaust should have happened in the place
that had the greatest number of active Zionists:
ERETZ YISRAEL (also known as Eretz HaKodesh).

I know that The Neturei Karta & HaKatan will never listen to what I just said,
but I write for the benefit of people who are not brainwashed fanatics.

Smerel

Below are the 2 shocking messages DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM of why the economy crashed in relation to what you wrote regarding avoda Zara

In the Torah in the Parsha of Shemitta & Yovel, Hashem Guarantees & promises anyone that if they keep these Halachos they will always be taken care of. (either by getting double in the Sixth year or even having extra) Where is Shemitta & Yovel TODAY in the Diaspora? Where can we find this when outside of Israel is not even responsible for these Halachos? The answer is Hashem promises anyone that if he runs his business with %100 honesty (coming to work on time & not even a minute late, never using your office time to check your personal needs or the news on the computer, paying your employees on time etc…) he is guaranteed to always have money & never have the need to struggle to make ends meet. This is where we are holding today, for those of us that have been-& still are- honest, from before the economy started going downhill in the beginning of the century. They are the people that are guaranteed to make it through the economy-even- when it crashes.

Why is the economy so bad today? Why is the whole world going down? For the past thousands of years there was always Avoda zara in the world-from the molech to the baal to the asheira tree etc…-todays avoda zara is MONEY, we are a servant to money, we serve money, we bow down to money, we let money talk & rule us. Thus we leave Hashem no choice but to take it away from us Rachmana L’tzlan. But you can still save yourself from going down. if a person can use his money the right way & remember that it all comes from Hashem & it was just loaned to him (even though he worked for it), then he is the perfect person to continue holding Hashem’s money.

The Rebbe was not ready to assume leadership until the shver was niftar. Many on the MGT held he was or halevay should be.
Zionism has one mitzva yishuv ha’retz . That is its zchus kiyum as we see its survival. Its sponsorship of the Torah world is testimony that it is לשם שמים.

@Menachem, I am glad someone caught on and apricated the irony these trollish comments

SQUARE_ROOT and other Zionist idolaters:
Zionism was a rebellion against G-d starting at around the turn of the century, not only in 1948. The Chevron pogrom was a direct result of Zionism. The British closing the gates of Mandatory Palestine to Jews DURING THE HOLOCAUST (not post-1948) was a result of Zionist agitation and terror for their “State”. Etc.

You idolaters should really abandon your idol.

Hakatan: if you were to read Iggeret Teiman, Harambam clearly says the three oaths is a mashal that shlomo hamelech, in his wisdom, invented in order to prevent future generations from falling prey to false messiahs. This is a direct quote:

ולפי שידע שלמה ע”ה ברוח הקודש שהאומה הזאת בארך זמן גלותם תפצר להתנועע בלא עתה הראויה ויאבדו בשביל זה ויבואו עליהם צרות והזהיר מלעשות זה והשביע האומה על דרך משל ואמר השבעתי אתכם בנות ירושלים בצבאות או באילות השדה אם תעירו ואם תעוררו את האהבה עד שתחפץ ואתם אחינו אהובינו קבלו עליכם שבועתו ואל תעירו את האהבה עד שתחפץ ובורא העולם במדת רחמים יזכור אותנו ואתכם לקבץ גליות נחלתו וחבלו לחזות בנועם ה’ ולבקר בהיכלו

After detailing the many false messiahs were able to prey on the vulnerable and suffering nation, HaRambam writes that the three oats is a mashal to convince us to be patient.

While the term Zionist and Zionism has many different interpretations and means something else to different people (I am sure that when Biden says he is a Zionist he does not mean the same thing as when Rabbi Meir Kahane said he was a Zionist), one hting is clear: Zionism no longer actually exists. The stated goal of the Zionists was to create a Jewish state. Once that state was realized, the movement, by its own terms, lapsed for mootness.

Those that continue to fight against Zionists today are no different than Hiroo Onoda. When Japanese soldier Hiroo Onoda was deployed to Lubang in the Philippines in 1944, he was instructed by his commander to hold the remote island until the Japanese Army returned. Onoda, having been in hiding, never found out that Japan surrendered in 1945 and fought a guerrilla war on the island until he finally surrendered in 1974. So too are the fools who bury their heads in the sand and continue to fight a war that long ended against an enemy that no longer exists.