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    SQUARE_ROOT
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    News Reporter Rikki Schlott of The New York Post said:

    With the 2024 election almost upon us,
    Donald Trump is gaining a new cohort of voters:
    Jewish Americans who feel abandoned by the left.

    According to exit polls, 77 percent of Jewish voters went for Biden in 2020.
    But a recent poll from the Jewish Electoral Institute found
    the president has lost 10 points on his lead against his rival.

    Between college protests erupting into chants for an “intifada revolution,”
    Democrats like Jamaal Bowman leaning hard into pro-Palestine messaging,
    and progressive organizations like Black Lives Matter chapters
    celebrating the October 7th terrorist attacks,
    many Jewish Americans feel abandoned by their party.

    Some lifelong Jewish Democrats feel an explosion of left-wing
    antisemitism has pushed them to re-register as Republicans — and vote for Trump.

    The Post spoke to four local Jewish voters
    who made the switch in the wake of October 7th:

    [1] Melissa Chapman always considered herself a bleeding heart liberal
    — but she left the Democratic party after she claims it “betrayed” Jewish people.

    “I’ve always been a Democrat, and I really believed that the Democrats
    were going to protect me, because I’ve done everything a good Democrat should do,”
    the 50-year-old Staten Islander told The Post.
    “Then October 7th happened, and I was completely abandoned.”

    Chapman, a mom of two, runs a blog where she champions
    progressive causes, from LGBT rights and animal rights to
    Black History Month. However, after the Hamas attacks
    which killed 1,200 and took another 250 hostage,
    prompting Israel’s military to respond in Gaza,
    she found herself castigated online in the
    progressive social media communities she’d long been a part of.

    “Even on my vegan Facebook communities, all the recipes
    became about freeing Palestine, somehow,” she said.
    “If you dissented in any way, you either got bullied,
    shamed, or just kicked out of the group. I was literally
    abandoned by every single community that I poured my heart into.”

    In total, Chapman was booted from 20 online communities
    and called all manner of names,
    from ‘colonizer’ to ‘genocide supporter’ and ‘baby killer’.

    “I was told to go back to Poland,” she recalled.
    “One person told me they hope that I burn in the ovens.

    If you support Israel, you’re immediately considered someone
    who’s supporting genocide, which is not, by definition, even true
    — but it doesn’t matter because buzzwords are taking over like wildfire.”

    The experience of being squeezed out of progressive spaces
    caused Chapman to re-register as a Republican.

    “It’s a horrible time to support Israel and be a Democrat,
    and I just don’t think there’s any space for us anymore,” she said.
    “As a Jew, you have to disown Israel
    in order to be accepted into the Democratic community.”

    The post-October 7th reaction has caused Chapman
    to think often of her late father, who was a Holocaust survivor:
    “If he were alive today, I don’t know what he would say.
    I don’t know, but would he say this is like
    what happened in Germany before Hitler took over?”

    As we head into election season, Chapman “1000%” plans
    to vote Republican down the ticket, from the local level to the presidential level.

    “I never thought I would be voting Republican in my entire life,” she said. “
    But it’s like living in a twilight zone.
    As a Jew living in America, I don’t believe
    the Democratic Party has my best interest at heart.”

    [2] After a lifetime as a Democrat, Danny Cohen decided
    his party now “has a cancer” in the form of antisemitism.

    “There’s been a hijacking of the Democratic Party,” Cohen,
    56 of Brooklyn, told The Post.
    “Right now the Democratic Party has a cancer.
    It seems like all the antisemitism is just coming out of the woodwork.”

    In the wake of October 7th, Cohen changed his party registration
    to Republican. “The response from the left really shook me to my core,”
    Cohen, who was raised in a Syrian Jewish community in Brooklyn, said.

    “I can’t be part of that party anymore.
    I don’t want to have anything to do with these people. It’s

    As a Jewish person, Cohen says he feels uniquely unsupported by the left:
    “It’s no longer a party that is fighting for human rights
    because you can’t fight for human rights, except for Jewish rights.”

    Over the past year, the standup comic says left-wing antisemitism has been overwhelming.

    “We have ‘The Squad.’ We see what’s going on in college campuses.
    We see what’s going on during these protests.
    It’s taking to the streets, and it’s getting crazy,” he said.

    “I’m not saying that there isn’t any hate in the Republican party —
    we have the KKK, the Proud Boys, Charlottesville — but they
    can’t even hold a candle to the scale of what’s going on on the other side.”

    Accordingly, Cohen is planning to vote Republican for the first time.

    “I’m passionate. I’m excited about it, actually,” he said.
    “It’s a fight against Jew hatred, and so now I’m excited about voting for Trump.”

    [3] Sarah Sarkin once took to the streets to protest
    Trump’s election in 2016, waving an “Anybody but Trump” poster.
    Now she’s voting for him in 2024.

    “Being a mother and watching everything that happened
    in October made me make the switch,” Sarkin, who is raising
    her infant son in Syracuse, said.
    “Those images are still seared and tattooed into my memory,
    and it was just horrifying to see some of the reactions on the left.”

    Although she considered herself “as Democrat as can be”
    until recently, Sarkin, 31, re-registered as a Republican.

    “It was a lot of silence on the left, and that really speaks
    so loudly to how a party that I once thought was for equality
    and for protecting us is really not for equal rights,” Sarkin told The Post.

    “Being a liberal was such a big part of my identity,
    so it was a weird thing for me to switch over.
    But I’m at a different part of my life now,
    and it’s time for me to change.”

    After October 7th, the safety of her family and Jewish community
    became Sarkin’s number one priority, as a voter and as a mother.

    Her local mom’s group chats were flooded with panicked posts
    about safety, local protests, and whether or not to send kids
    to school on the “International Day of Jihad,” called for
    by an ex-Hamas leader on Oct. 13. Out of fear for their security,
    Sarkin and her husband also decided to become first-time gun owners this year.

    “I had never even held a gun, and it was scary,
    but we wanted to learn how to protect ourselves,” Sarkin said.
    “This became very real for us very soon.
    It happened in Israel, but it can certainly happen here.”

    As November nears, Sarkin plans to cast her ballot
    for Trump because she believes his commitment
    to Israel is more resounding.

    “At least for me, I need someone who’s a fighter
    and who knows where they stand.

    [4] Marin Faiella: ‘I’ve never voted Republican before’

    Marin Faiella has never voted Republican in her life,
    but this November she’ll be casting her ballot for Trump.

    “I think at the end of the day, it’s clear whose policies
    are aligned with a safer, stronger allied
    relationship with Israel,” she told The Post.

    Faiella has always considered herself staunchly
    pro-choice and generally progressive.
    But October 7th upended her priorities.

    “My number one priority is overall safety and
    security for myself as a Jewish person,” Faiella said.
    “If your basic 101 safety isn’t in place,
    then you can’t really advocate for any additional rights.”

    Faiella, who lives in the West Village and works in real estate,
    says pro-Palestine demonstrations in New York City have been a wake-up call.

    “I saw what was on the streets — celebrations, people shouting
    and dressed as terrorists here in New York City,” she recalled.
    “After October 7th, I was just scared to death,
    in terms of being a Jewish person in the city.”

    The progressives’ reaction to October 7th inspired her
    to change her registration from Democrat to Republican
    last November, but she says “the writing has been on the wall.”

    “There were plenty of warnings that were preludes to
    what we’re seeing out in the open now, like Bella Hadid
    and the woke crowd that have been all in on Free Palestine,”
    Faiella said. Hadid is of Palestinian descent.

    Although she was initially conflicted about re-registering
    as a Republican, she is feeling confident in her choice.

    “I’m not anti-Democrat, but I’m definitely anti-extreme Democrats,”
    she said. “I continue to feel more and more confident and comfortable
    in my skin and my new affiliation. I can always change back,
    but this is where I feel it’s appropriate to be at this point in time.”

    For Faiella, it all comes down to fundamental safety for the Jewish community.

    “We could be Germany [in the] 1930s if we didn’t have
    the government and law enforcement on our side,” she warned.
    “If that ever changed, we wouldn’t be safe here anymore.”

    SOURCE: article titled: “Meet the Jewish Americans who feel abandoned
    by the Democrats, now voting Republican for the first time”
    by Rikki Schlott 2024 July 9, The New York Post, www (dot) NYPost (dot) org

    #2296641
    akuperma
    Participant

    Secular Jews (i.e. Americans of Jewish descent) have not necessarily switched. If they are switching, expect New York to go back to being “purple”, including New York City. That hasn’t happened yet.

    #2296698
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    News Reporter Carl Campanile of The New York Post said:
    =====================================

    Nearly half of Jewish voters have felt at risk because of their religious identity
     while living in the Empire State — while more than a third said that New York
    is no longer a safe haven for their people, a shocking new poll reveals.

    The survey conducted for the pro-Israel New York Solidarity Network 
    found that 44% of the 1,200 Jewish voters in New York City
    and other counties queried said they have felt unsafe,
    as did 67% of identifiable Orthodox Jews.

    More than a third — 35% — said they agreed with the statement:
    “New York is no longer a safe haven for Jewish life and the Jewish people.”

    Nearly 40% of the same voters said the US is no longer a safe haven for Jews.
    The numbers are unsettling given that 1.5 million Jews live in New York state
    — more than any single place on the globe outside of Israel, the poll takers said. 

    “That more than a third of registered New York Jewish voters believe
    New York is no longer a safe haven for Jews should be a five-alarm fire
    for state and local elected officials,” Sara Forman, executive director
    of the New York Solidarity Network and Treasurer of Solidarity PAC,
    said in a statement to The Post Wednesday. 

    It comes as New York has been hit by a wave of antisemitic hate crimes
    since Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel and the ongoing war in the Gaza Strip.

    The hate has spilled onto college campuses, where some Jewish students
    have been left cowering in fear due to anti-Israel protests and antisemitic incidents
    — including at Cooper Union and at Columbia University,
    where vandals occupied an academic building.

    Many of the masked hoodlums escaped prosecution, and a campaign
    is now underway to urge Gov. Kathy Hochul and the state legislature
    to restore a mask ban at public protests to prevent harassers
    and bigots from hiding their identify and getting away with crimes.

    Half of those surveyed by the New York Solidarity Network said
    they don’t believe New York’s college campuses will do enough
    to make Jewish students feel safe in the upcoming fall semester,
    while 42% said they did.

    Meanwhile, 86% of respondents said they believe that antisemitism
    is a serious problem, and 56% have witnessed anti-Jewish hatred
    on social media and online forums — 
    including 72% of those under the age of 30.

    Antisemitic hate crimes are up 45% in 2024, according to NYPD data
    obtained by The Post in April — with many of the
    emboldened attacks captured on shocking video.

    For instance, the Brooklyn Museum’s director and a number
    of its Jewish board members last month were targeted
    by antisemitic vandals who tossed red paint and scrawled
    “blood on your hands” across their homes.

    An inverted red triangle was sprayed on director Anne Pasternak’s
    co-op apartment building — a symbol used in the past
    by Hamas to identify Israeli military targets and, more recently,
    has been spotted at anti-Israel tent encampment protests
    that plagued university campuses across the country.

    An anti-Jewish harasser from Staten Island was recently arrested 
    for allegedly storming a Big Apple subway car
    and demanded that “Zionists” raise their hands.

    A Jewish father of five in Brooklyn was beaten in front of his own home
    last December during the first night of Hanukkah as his attacker
    spewed antisemitic vitriol — just two days before another man
    was robbed of his $2,500 traditional Jewish headpiece in the borough.

    The virulent Jew hatred has exploded amid the Hamas-Israel war in Gaza,
    initiated by the terror militia’s sneak attack on the Jewish State.

    “Jews have been warning leadership for months, as masked mobs
    teeming with hatred for Jews crowded outside hospitals and synagogues,
    defaced the homes of Jewish museum board members,
    intimidated Jews on the subway and in other public spaces,
    vandalized Jewish-owned business, overran colleges to ‘occupy’ campuses
    — all while far-left politicians celebrated this behavior as ‘peaceful’ protest,” Forman said.

    “If we do not feel safe here, with the largest Jewish community outside of Israel,
    how can we feel safe anywhere?” Forman added.

    “Community leaders, non-Jewish allies, and elected officials on
    the state and local level must send a decisive message
    to the public, and to those elected officials who condone this behavior,
    that anti-Jewish hatred has no place in New York, without exception or apology.”  

    The New York Solidarity Network survey conducted by
    GQR Insights and Action questioned 1,200 registered Jewish voters
    from May 9-22, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points.

    Live phone interviews made up 46% of respondents,
    while text-to-web surveys made up the other 54%.

    Voters from high density Jewish zip codes were interviewed in New York City
    and select counties: Nassau, Suffolk, Albany, Broome, Erie, Monroe, Oneida,
    Onondaga, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Sullivan, Tompkins, Ulster and Westchester.

    SOURCE: article titled: Nearly half of Jewish voters believe NY is unsafe for them
    shocking poll finds by Carl Campanile 2024 July 10,
    The New York Post, www (dot) NYPost (dot) org

    #2296699
    huju
    Participant

    This Jew is not quitting the Democratic Party.

    #2297194
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @huju, People on the Titanic did want to get on the lifeboats as well

    #2297286
    takahmamash
    Participant

    It’s sad that the two best candidates the parties could come up with are Trump and Biden.

    #2297242
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    A lot of Jews feel totally frustrated with the abysmal choices they will have in November. A country of 380 million people could do better than presenting us with two polarizing individuals that turn off such a large percentage of the electorate.

    #2297246
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    I am also not quiting the Democratic party and will not vote for someone who is not a mentsch,, loalom yeheh adam, first be a human being.

    #2297211
    GadolHadofi
    Participant

    commonsaychel,

    noju, like Nero, will fervently fiddle to block out the screaming while his beloved party and woke religion burn to the ground.

    #2297228
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz of Matzav dot com said:

    “The Democrat Party that controls the White House and Senate
    is openly anti-Semitic and hostile toward Israel and Jews.

    It is led by a weak, incompetent leader, who caused inflation
    4to skyrocket, eroded the moral fabric of the country,
    and opened the borders to millions of unknown and
    undocumented people from around the world.”

    SOURCE: article titled: Truly Historic by Rabbi Pinchos Lipschutz
    2024 June 27 on Matzav dot com

    =======================================
    PERSONAL COMMENT: The number of ILLEGAL ALIENS that
    President Joe Biden allowed to enter the USA is
    more than ten million: > 10,000,000.

    They include: convicted criminals, members of violent
    gangs that sell illegal drugs, Chinese spies, Chinese soldiers,
    Chinese Police Officers, and people with infectious diseases.

    #2297236
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    WISCONSIN (VINnews) — Jewish activist Shabbos Kestenbaum,
    a Harvard graduate who has filed a lawsuit against the university
    over its antisemitism, will be speaking at the Republican National Convention.

    In a tweet, Kestenbaum announced that he voted for Bernie Sanders
    last election, however his views have changed because of
    what his classmates were doing while Jews were being slaughtered.

    The Convention’s website says that Shabbos is a “lifelong Democrat”
    who will be voting for president Trump for the first time.

    SOURCE: article titled: Shabbos Kestenbaum, Formerly a Bernie Sanders Supporter,
    to Speak at GOP Convention by Baruch Green 2024 July 15 VINnews (dot) com

    #2297250

    Show of hands – anyone here who plans to vote for a different party this year? Or change between voting and not voting.

    #2297251

    If you don’t change – do you know anyone who does.

    #2297376
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Oh grow up Reb Eliezer!

    Biden took showers with his daughter

    Didn’t call the dillers when instead made a fundraiser in their state

    Went to Palestine when they had a train derailment and was a toxic mess only a year later

    The list goes on and square root can probably find you all the instances

    But hey, the reason you really won’t vote for Trump is because of the big red R next to his name

    #2297378
    yechiell
    Participant

    New York Post is a spokesman for Trump.
    How about quoting all those that don’t have such high opinions of the Shlump. (Too early?)

    #2297379
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Torah likes the middle way and is against extremes.

    #2297387
    GadolHadofi
    Participant

    laskern,

    Stop editorializing; one faults with their own faults.

    #2297545
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    John Podhoretz said:

    “Biden’s policy now is that Hamas should be allowed to live
    to massacre another day. In the end, then, while Biden spent
    months being the best friend Israel may ever have had in
    the White House, he has now become one of its worst enemies.”

    SOURCE: Why Joe Biden Has Gone from Friend to Enemy
    by John Podhoretz, June 2024,
    Commentary Magazine, www dot commentary dot org

    ==================================
    Jonathan S. Tobin, editor-in-chief of JNS (Jewish News Syndicate) said:

    Succumbing to pressure from the intersectional left wing of his own party
    that views Israel as a “white oppressor” and “apartheid” state,
    and implicitly accepting Hamas propaganda about civilian casualties,
    he [President Joe Biden] characterized Israel’s war effort as “over the top,”
    and that it was guilty of “indiscriminate” killing of Palestinians.

    This was entirely false and remains so.

    But rather than treating the pro-Hamas and antisemitic protests
    that were breaking out on college campuses and in the streets
    of the nation’s cities, Biden seemed intimidated by the leftist attacks
    on Israel that were being echoed by the corporate media.

    SOURCE: Biden doomed the Palestinians to another generation of war
    by Jonathan S. Tobin, 2024 May 20, www (dot) JNS (dot) org

    ==================================
    Jonathan Pollard said this on 2024 March 19:

    “The Biden Administration IS an enemy
    of the Jewish people and State of Israel.”

    SOURCE: Youtube video titled: “Jonathan Pollard:
    The New American Pier and Rescuing Gazan Refugees” by Machon Shilo

    #2297588
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @SR, do you really think that anyone would care what some publicity hungry ex Bernie supporter says?

    #2297680
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    So you Leftists/Libs/Laszlos are going to continue to vote for the party that enabled our enemies to rise up against us and is still holding our brothers and sisters hostage over the party that literally brought the same despots to their knees and their terror supplier to the brink of collapse?

    #2297785
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    As always, the most important politics isn’t between the parties, it’s within the parties.

    #2297818
    Sam Klein
    Participant

    Jews are finally quitting the democratic party cause they finally woke up and openly see the corruption of the democratic party that will do anything to stay in power even if it means shooting someone or killing him in a large crowd.

    #2297976
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Sam,

    If they believe the person that was unsuccessfully assassinated is a nowadays Hitler ym”s they would be upset that he didn’t die

    If you teach someone that up is down and the left is right this is normal

    #2298047

    > unsuccessfully assassinated

    OXYMORON

    #2298332
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “Ex-CTL, I am not a lawyer or an ex-lawyer, so I am allowed to be imprecise. I did not punched a chad near a name of a kosher candidate.“

    Someone said this in another post 😜

    In the same vein I don’t have an English degree so I’m allowed to be imprecise

    #2298459

    Coffee, you had to take _some_ English classes … I did not take any legal ones, only business 🙂

    #2303864
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    When you have the leadership of the Dems in the house endorse Cori Bush who promises to destroy AIPAC and “its kingdom” during her concession speech and is wildly applauded that is enough of a reason never to vote on that line.

    #2304124
    fandango443
    Participant

    Republicans held up emergency aid to Israel in Nov. 2023 and tied it to IRS budget cuts. Republicans only pretend to support the state of Israel. THEY JUST WANT JEWISH MONEY. WAKE UP

    #2304243

    fandango, Rav Twersky writes that educated and smart alcoholics (or any addicts) are the worse to treat – they can always twist the facts to explain themselves away: I can quit any time, so I am not an addict, so I do not have to quit. Thanks for providing an illustration.

    #2312409
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    “Renowned author and legal scholar Alan Dershowitz has
    officially severed ties with the Democratic Party due to
    growing anti-Israel attitudes displayed during
    the Democratic National Convention (DNC).”

    SOURCE: Alan Dershowitz Leaves Democratic Party After Anti-Israel DNC
    September 7, 2024, from www (dot) matzav (dot) com

    ===================================

    Harvard Law Professor Alan M. Dershowitz said:

    “We [Jews] need not apologize about our successes.
    We earned them, the hard way.

    We need not be apologetic or defensive about our power in America.
    For we have seen what can, and will, happen if we abdicate that power.

    Our history as a people demonstrates that
    we need more power than others to survive.
    That is one of the important lessons to be learned
    from thousands of years of anti-Jewish bigotry.

    I am reminded of it every time I open one of my poison-pen letters.
    We are not the Swiss and our history is not one of being left alone.
    It is one of constant victimization and repression.
    Without power – indeed, without power disproportional
    to our numbers – we continue to be victimized.
    We should strive to enhance our power on every front.”

    SOURCE: Chutzpah (chapter 4, page 129) by Alan M. Dershowitz
    published in year 1991 by Little Brown & Co
    ISBN: 9780316181372 * ISBN: 0316181374

    #2313320
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Yeshivah World News World Headquarters in NYC said:

    [Mr.] Shabbos Kestenbaum, a Jewish Harvard alumnus currently
    suing the university over its handling of antisemitism, announced
    on Thursday that he has officially broken with the Democratic Party
    and will be voting for Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election.

    Kestenbaum made the announcement during a speech
    at the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual convention,
    citing his growing disillusionment with Democratic leadership.

    “I did not support Trump in 2016, I did not support Trump in 2020…
    I did not support Trump six months ago. Nobody’s perfect,” Kestenbaum said.

    “The Democratic Party has taken the Jewish vote
    and Jewish voters for granted for far too long,”
    he added, before announcing, “I will be supporting,
    I will be endorsing, I will be voting for President Trump.”

    Kestenbaum’s shift isn’t a surprise. In July, he addressed the
    Republican National Convention, urging voters to elect a
    president who would confront terrorism and instill patriotism in schools.

    While he didn’t specify his candidate preference at the time,
    his appearance indicated a growing alignment with Republican values.

    Kestenbaum also attended the Democratic National Convention
    in August, sharing positive interactions with fellow delegates,
    though he remained critical of the party’s stance on anti-Semitism.

    At the RJC event, Kestenbaum voiced frustration with Democratic
    lawmakers, particularly those on the left, like Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    and Jamaal Bowman, for their support of anti-Israel campus protests.

    He praised Republicans for being more responsive to efforts
    against campus antisemitism, saying leaders such as House Speaker
    Mike Johnson and Rep. Jason Smith had actively engaged with Jewish students.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Harvard Alumnus, Antisemitism Activist
    Shabbos Kestenbaum Breaks with Democratic Party, Endorses Trump

    2024 September 9 www (dot) TheYeshivaWorld (dot) com
    http://www.TheYeshivaWorld.com/news/israel-news/2312544/harvard-alumnus-antisemitism-activist-shabbos-kestenbaum-breaks-with-democratic-party-endorses-trump.html

    #2313501
    yechiell
    Participant

    Biden, a member of the democratic party (right?) has sent over the last 11 months tons and tons and tons and tons (this sentence too long for you? too bad ) and tons and tons and tons and tons of armaments to Israel.
    That’s all that counts, not that he took showers with his daughter (any proof of that, fool?), just that he sent what Israel wants and needs.
    I will NOT vote for a lecher (proven over and over again) like the Shlump.
    He plans to abandon Ukraine.
    Who is to say he won’t abandon Israel two weeks later?
    Go, Kamala, Go !

    #2313548
    GadolHadofi
    Participant

    yechiell,

    Brandon, leader of the democratic party has spent the last 9 months stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing (this sentence too long for you? too bad), stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, stabbing Israel in the back by withholding arms, lying to them about negotiations and allowing U.N. votes against them.

    Kamalek, the horse-faced, hyena-laughing, word salad witch, is only coherent when criticizing Israel and would order an arms embargo against them. She never won a single primary and has also literally prostituted herself to where she is today.

    It speaks volumes about you that you love her so much!

    #2313728
    1
    Participant

    yechiell do you want proof of that? He’s a known mushchis and so is his son.

    #2313862
    yechiell
    Participant

    dofi:
    stab stab? another lie! another lie!
    how do you send arms to Israel and stab at the same time.
    only if you’re a non-logical dofi, or doofus

    1:
    mushchis? vos is dos?
    don’t bother to reply, anyone who can’t get past number 1 (like, try 2 next time) ain’t worth arguing with

    #2313910
    GadolHadofi
    Participant

    yechiell,

    You do exactly what Brandon has done for the past nine months. He promised Israel arms so he sent some, then he started feeling sorry for the poor terrorists, then he kept delaying the most vital shipments such as shells and bunker busters. Then he repeatedly denied delaying arms, allowed U.N. votes against Israel to proceed and lied to them about ceasefire negotiations.

    That’s how; stab, stab, stab, stab, stab!

    #2314070
    fandango443
    Participant

    Republicans emotionally manipulate Jews and other diaspora populations who need America’s help. They lie to your face. Trump got 10m in campaign money from Egyptians who helped build Hamas’ tunnel system in Gaza. Trump cut off aid to the Syrian rebels reinforcing the weapons pipeline from Iran to the West Bank. I know Democrats are bad at communication but they materially support Israel in ways American and Israeli Jews both do not seem to understand. Also most normal Democrats still support Israel, it’s the right wing media psyop to make you think Ilhan Omar is the face of the Democratic Party.

    #2314116
    fandango443
    Participant

    Obama funded the Iron Dome and Trump removed all checks on Iran’s nuclear program. I think pro-Israel people hate liberals more than actual avowed antisemites.

    #2314118
    fandango443
    Participant

    Biden “withheld” arms to Israel’s Gaza effort…. so that they could be used against Hezbollah in more important ways. The bombs he withheld wouldn’t have done anything effective in Gaza.

    Republicans and their friends emotionally manipulate you. The average person doesn’t understand the strategy. They do this with Ukraine too. Republicans blocked Ukraine aid for an entire year and then Mike Johnson tells European newspapers how Biden isn’t doing enough for Ukraine.

    #2314232
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “Republicans and their friends emotionally manipulate you“

    You mean like by saying “January 6 was the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor”. Especially on the eve of September 11th?

    #2314548
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Corey Walker said this in The Algemeiner:
    ============================

    In April, [Doug] Schoen [a former adviser under then-USA President Bill Clinton]
    noted that the administration was under immense pressure by the left wing of
    the Democratic Party to “take a strong stance against the Jewish State.”

    He argued that the anti-Israel drift of the Democratic Party
    is “dangerous” and overlooks the Jewish state’s “strategic importance.”

    He also lamented that US President Joe Biden [a member of
    the Democratic Party] adopted a more pointed
    and adversarial “tone” toward America’s closest Middle Eastern ally.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Former Clinton Adviser Says Harris Not
    ‘Sufficiently Committed to Israel and Fighting Antisemitism’

    by Corey Walker 2024 September 10 for www (dot) Algemeiner (dot) com

    #2314581

    fan dang> Biden “withheld” arms to Israel’s Gaza effort…. so that they could be used against Hezbollah in more important ways. The bombs he withheld wouldn’t have done anything effective in Gaza.

    You are tying yourself into a pretzel, hope there is someone else in your flat to untie you. You seem to be saying that Tzahal does not know how to allocate the bombs correctly, so it needs US State Dept to come and force the right policies … The same ones that advise Ukrainians not to waste missiles on Russia proper, and the same ones that advised Afghani government to commit suicide by continueing holding on without US support for several months to avoid
    a PR disaster. Nice, maybe Staties should just appoint an Israeli prime minister that they think is good for Israelis.

    #2314987
    fandango443
    Participant

    Republicans emotionally manipulate you by saying Obama is a secret Muslim who wants to destroy Israel. And by coordinating military actions with Iran to simulate a conflict instead of actually challenging them. I get the Democrats are bad at communications but they are helping.


    @Always
    , Bombs are expensive and theres only a limited amount. Republicans lie to you in the same way about Ukraine as well. Gotta trust the strategy even if it’s frustrating.

    #2315086
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    fandango443 said:

    “Republicans emotionally manipulate you by saying Obama is a secret Muslim…”

    MY RESPONSE:

    When Mr. Barack Hussein Obama was President of the United States of America,
    he led public Muslims prayer services, in The White House.

    Please notice that Obama’s participation in public Muslims prayer services
    was not merely as a member of the Muslim congregation who said “amen”
    to the prayer-leader; he WAS the prayer-leader [Chazan or Shaliach Tzibur]
    and the rest of the Muslim congregation said “amen” to the prayers he led.

    If I remember correctly, it is possible to convert to Islam simply by
    participating in public prayers with Muslims — which Obama did,
    not merely as member of the congregation, but as Muslim prayer leader.
    Therefore, even if Obama was not a Muslim before praying with Muslims,
    his participation in their public prayers was enough to convert him to Islam.

    Last but not least, if Obama was not a Muslim,
    then how did he know how to lead Muslims in public prayer?

    This was filmed by journalists, so please do not try to deny this.

    #2315215

    fan > Bombs are expensive and theres only a limited amount

    right, but you somehow presume that Tzahal is not aware of that and does not know how to allocate them between the missions.

    #2315406
    fandango443
    Participant

    That’s the IDFs problem them. Bibi and co. didn’t listen to Biden who said they should go into Rafah. They lied and the media broadcasts their lies to the whole world. Democrats are trying to help Israel as much as possible but Republicans control all foreign policy media. I would support Trump if he actually supported Israel. Either way I think Israel will be ok and there’s more important factors than politics.

    #2315561
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Fandango

    Are you trolling

    If not can you bring a source saying that Biden said to go to Rafah?

    #2315562

    what makes you think that Biden is a better strategist than Bibi? Biden has a history of having bad views as senator and VP plus several losses as a President. None of Biden’s advisers are known for strategic victories either. Bibi has years of dealing all kind of issues and is, over the years, seen as a responsible leader by majority of Israelis. I am not trying to convince you to respect Bibi, but I hope that you can acknowledge that Biden not giving Bibi what the latter wants to use is more likely to be bad for Israel, rather than good.

    #2316131
    fandango443
    Participant

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/politics/joe-biden-interview-cnntv/index.html

    Context: When the USA was airdropping food into Gaza last march, it was a signal to Bibi that they could go into Rafah by ground. This was after Biden and co. sent the ammo necessary to do so. When Biden said they would stop sending weapon it was about a hypothetical “major invasion” where Israel wastes american bombs on “civilian” neighborhoods. What israel actually did was not even close to that. Sorry but were working around the UN and other pro-pali liars who claimed gaza was starving. If the IDF had went into Rafah earlier hostages could’ve been saved and Hamas would’ve been in a much weaker position if not totally destroyed. But the IDF also aims to minimize losses. Unfortunately Israel’s current government is campaigning for Trump so they lie to hurt Biden. Btw trump got 10m in campaign money in 2016 from the same egyptians who help build tunnels in gaza.

    Democrats lie to give israel diplomatic cover, republicans squat on it and let perfect be the enemy of the good. Media takes statements out of context. When Trump get israel needs to “get it over with” no one is skeptical.

    #2319584
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    James Bickerton wrote this in Newsweek Magazine:

    Famed attorney Alan Dershowitz has announced his departure
    from the Democratic Party following what he called the
    “most anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, anti-Zionist convention” he has experienced.

    The lawyer and Harvard Law professor emeritus made the announcement
    during an appearance on the Talkline With Zev Brenner podcast
    shortly after the Democratic National Convention,
    which took place in Chicago from August 19 to August 22.
    ….
    During his interview with radio host Zev Brenner, Dershowitz said:
    “I am no longer a Democrat. I am an independent.”
    He added, “A lot of things pushed me in that direction,”
    citing Vice President Kamala Harris’ decision not to preside
    over Netanyahu’s address to a joint session of Congress
    in July and rhetoric at the Democratic National Convention.

    “I was disgusted at the Democratic National Convention.
    Absolutely disgusted,” he said.

    Dershowitz continued: “They had more anti-Jewish,
    anti-Zionist people who were speaking, starting with
    [Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] — a miserable anti-Zionist bigot.

    “Then, of course, they had [Senator Elizabeth] Warren,
    who is one of the most anti-Jewish people in the Senate.
    Then they had Bernie Sanders, one of the most anti-Jewish people in the Senate.”
    ….
    The lawyer [Alan Dershowitz] also said that had Pennsylvania Governor
    Josh Shapiro not been Jewish, he likely would have been chosen
    as [Kamala] Harris’ running mate.
    “I understand that if his name were John Sheppard,
    not Josh Shapiro, he would have been the democratic nominee,” he said.

    SOURCE: article titled: “Alan Dershowitz Quits Democratic Party,
    Slams ‘Anti-Zionist’ DNC
    ” by James Bickerton,
    for Newsweek Magazine, 2024 September 7

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