Why hasn’t the frumvelt embraced democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang

They aren’t on Twitter

Yang is best known among Yiddin for his opposition to Bris Milah. Isn’t that enough reason not to support him?

We don’t go for candidates offering “free stuff”. that’s socialism and bad for the country. We vote for the candidate who is good for the country and hence good for the Jews living in it. It saddens me to hear of Jewish groups endorsing bad candidates because they offer programs with free stuff. Where is their “seichal”

1. When the governments pays, it controls. Once you addicted to the “drug”, the pusher can start running your life.

2. He is talking about massive tax increases, particularly of consumption taxes (a VAT and carbon tax).

3. His agenda is otherwise mainstream Democratic, meaning he will continue to crack down on religious groups who don’t accept their agenda in sexual matters, and otherwise oppose cultural minorities who don’t have a politically correct life style.

His positions on EY (to the degree he has even spoken to the issue) seem to tilt in the direction of those who focus on Palestinian rights w/o a commensurate concern for Israel’s security. I do like his focus on the future job market and the radical changes posed by automation, robotics and artificial intelligence which have the potential to eliminate millions of low skilled jobs. None of the other candidates seem to be addressing this issue.

The answer to the title is because he’s a Democrat.

What are his other policies?

Israel?
Same gender policies?
Abortion?

And why should people change from the candidate that we know is an oheiv yisrael

DONALD TRUMP

“Yang’s freedom dividend (aka universal basic income) is fantastic for many, and especially a kollel family. That’s an extra $24,000 a year for a kollel family…”

RebDebbie: I assume that since our resident Troll, Reb Yosef, may be under the weather today, you felt an obligation to provide some trolling humor for a Monday Morning. If you were serious, than you would probably realize that most yidden, frum or not, have ZERO enthusiasm for this new progressive meshugaas of “free stuff” for everyone. Obviously, for most of us who work hard and pay taxes, we don’t want the government to take our hard earnded funds and hand them out to others who choose not to work . Same for FREE medical care. Its NOT FREE. We will all pay for it in higher taxes. As to the shidduch crisis, the freedom dividend will barely cover the costs of a shadchan and simcha hall for your shvers’ 200 BFFs.

Klug:

You wrote: “secondly why should all boys work?
You hate torah so much?”

No. But not all boys should sit in the kollel either. Way too large a percentage of “kollel yungerleit” are doing little beyond warming a chair. They are there because they were indoctrinated with the idea that this is their obligation, and that they need to be “learning boys”. The girls were indoctrinated with the girls’ version of that myth.

All of this challenges the reality of what the Torah says, Certainly, the mitzvah of learning is applicable to every single Yid, and that this mitzvah is characterized in the posuk as והגית בו יומם ולילה. That is not open for debate. But the יומם ולילה is also explained by our Poskim as referring to קריאת שמע which is recited by day and by night. There is a rational explanation for all this. Many of us are required by Halacha to support our families. It does not say anywhere that we are to schnorr money from others. It does say multiple versions of the message יגיע כפך כי תאכל. There are among us those whose skills and talents are such that they can excel in various careers, in business, professions, manufacturing, retail, law, sciences, and, of course, Torah. No, I’m not equating Torah with the list of careers. But as a career option, it is one of those. It is truly a great one. But not everyone has the potential of succeeding. And applying the “learning boy” label just because one wants to is foolish. That’s like expecting a fish to climb a tree.

Boys should not all work nor all learn. Each individual should do what he is capable of doing. These broad brush strokes are unfair, and create situations that end up in conflict later. Kollelim are terrific for the one inclined to use the time wisely and efficiently. A yungerman lacking the requisite learning skills or passion will fail, probably sooner rather than later. That should not be done at the expense of the family, wife’s work, or the baalei tzedokoh.

Tlik
Thanks
That’s a reasonable position, I may not agree with every kind but I certainly would not challenge it outright and totally.
That’s a very different tone and position then someone who says ”send half the boys out to work!! ” ”let them Get off their tuchus” which is what I was responding to

GH

I see you’re not as progressive as your candidates

Thanks

TLIK
“Way too large a percentage of “kollel yungerleit” are doing little beyond warming a chair.”

Do you have any evidence for this?

When I go to Kollelim etc I see much hasmodoh and hear much kol torah

The simple answer is, nobody embraces a loser. If he was polling at 30% it would be a question.
The simpler answer is, we aren’t socialist Russia! Their economy couldn’t sustain it’s people! We need to know that the harder you work and the better the product that you produce will bring for you economic gain! Getting free $$$ for doing nothing is a terrible idea!
I think it’s great that people learn in kollel. It means a few things.
1. Middle class and wealthy people have income that they can donate.
2. Parents have income that they can give to their children.
3. The young couple works. Wife can have income or husband can tutor in the evening. They need income as well.
Giving out free $$$ means that everyone will have less. Less people can hire a tutor. Lessbpeople can hire kollel wife. Parents will have less. Donors will have less.

In יורה דעה we rely on a heter to be able to get payed to learn torah, and that is only under certain circumstances. In history the great rabbis have always worked also

GH:

Chazal never addressed the question you asked, because it is not a question. While יומם ולילה is the ideal, it does not require sitting in kollel. One can engage the day in Avodas Hashem with a combination of learning and implementing the mitzvos. The formula for that was never dictated to the Klal, as it cannot be determined effectively in this manner. Rather, individuals needed to decide for themselves, with guidance from elders (parents, rebbeiim) which direction was best for them.

It is the recent generations that made it “suicidal” for a bochur to say they will go to work after marriage. It also became unbecoming for a girl to not declare that she only wants a learning boy. So in previous generations, those with the aptitude to become farmers, roshei yeshivos, retailers, poskim, etc. did so, most often al taharas hakodesh. Our leaders are asleep at the switch by not making such guidance part of their positions. In reality, we need our frum lawyers, doctors, mechanics, bankers, clothing salesmen, etc. as much as we need our klai kodesh.

I am not driving bnai kollel to work. I am proclaiming that the responsibility for supporting their families is theirs, not yours or mine. If they have the means to remain in the bais hamedrash, that’s wonderful. And if they have the kishronos to become klai kodesh and become a leader in the Klal in whatever capacity, we can discuss the use of public funds for this (עשרה בטלנים). Someone who stays in kollel and accomplishes nothing more than having failed to support his family has committed a disservice to himself and family, to the public, and to HKB”H.

We are guilty for stigmatizing working and living an honest living of Avodas Hashem. גדול תלמוד שמביא לידי מעשה. We need Reb Chaim Kanievsky’s, and our gedolim and leaders. Face reality. Not everyone is built with those potentials. And many have other skills and talents that need to be used for the tzorchei tzibbur. Many of the greatest tzaddikim of generations, from tana’im to the recent past had businesses.

We do not need to “carve out” time for Torah. We need to live Torah 24/7. A piece is continuing learning, for which our chachomim guide us to be קובע עתים. For some this is several hours. For others, the time stretch may be less. ובלבד שיכוון את לבו.

He never said he’s against circumcision for religious reasons. All he said was that he did some research and decided not to circumcise his sons. It wasn’t a blanket, “nobody should do it”, “it must be banned” kind of thing. It was a personal decision and he’s not shoving it down anyone’s throats

bsharg2: Amy Klobuchar is the best for the Jews, out of the Democratic candidates. And your basis for this assertion?

I love the irony about how frum communities are so aggressively socialist on the state level, but turn into rabid capitalists once things go national.

Ignoring all the other issues that are being raised. It would not benefit some frum families to receive another $1k per month. This amt may be sufficient to bump them off entitlement programs or raise their rent contributions under HUD section 8 vouchers.

I am voting for Trump

However, Amy Klobuchar is the best for the Jews, out of the Democratic candidates. she is the most pro Israel. She is opposed to BDS. She wants to keep US embassy in Yerushalayim

Smart enough to know he didn’t have a chance

“They are not easy converts to Bernie Bros or Mayor Pete’s “cool kids”.“

Reason being is because they weren’t getting paid 1,000 a month