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May 11, 2016 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #617701WolfishMusingsParticipant
I’ve just seen a post on Facebook about a pair or tefillin found on a train. The post is asking people to spread the picture to help identify the owner. The tefillin bag had the owner’s initials embroidered on the bag.
This is not the first time I’ve seen such a post. Nor the second time or even the tenth.
I don’t understand why people don’t simply take an index card or a piece of paper, write on it “if lost, please contact…. ” and keep it there. It would prevent these sorts of situations.
My tallis bag has my patronymic Hebrew name on it, and so, I have a piece of paper in there with my name, address, phone number and email address. In short, if someone finds my tallis and tefillin, I want to make it as easy as possible for them to find me* and be able to return my tallis and tefillin to me.
So, why don’t people do this? Why do people make it harder for their tallis and tefillin to be properly returned to them if lost?**
The Wolf
* You might ask why I don’t have my last name embroidered on the tallis bag then (as many do). Truth is, it’s a bag that my daughter made for me in grade school and so I use it out of sentimental value.
** Please, don’t tell me that doing so would be a bizayon to the tefillin… it’s certainly not worse than writing your name in your sefer, which, to the best of my knowledge, NO ONE has a problem with.
May 11, 2016 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #1151626JosephParticipantMay 11, 2016 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1151627Avram in MDParticipantWolfishMusings,
So, why don’t people do this?
Because I never thought about it. But hey, good idea.
Why do people make it harder for their tallis and tefillin to be properly returned to them if lost?
Because I’m a horrible person who doesn’t care about causing others inconvenience, apparently. >:-)
May 11, 2016 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #1151628popa_bar_abbaParticipantI was at the mall last week, and they were announcing on the speakers that would the parents of some doofus come to customer service.
And I’m like, why not just tattoo your name to the kid’s cheek?
May 11, 2016 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #1151629WolfishMusingsParticipantI completely forgot about this.
The Wolf
May 11, 2016 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1151630☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantBut hey, at least I now know what “patronymic” means, and
have no idea what you meant by “my patronymic Hebrew name.”
May 11, 2016 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1151631WolfishMusingsParticipantmy patronymic Hebrew name.
Ploni ben ploni
The Wolf
May 11, 2016 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #1151632Ex-CTLawyerParticipantWolfish………..
Like you my name is embroidered on the bags.
I do not have my name and address in the bags. Frankly, the bags often sit on the table just outside the minyan room, while I’m inside davening. I don’t want strangers looking in the bag and getting that info.
I do have my business phone number and my English name on a card inside the bag.
May 12, 2016 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1151633WolfishMusingsParticipantI do have my business phone number
That’s fine. As long as there is *some* way for someone to get a hold of you and say “Hey, did you lose this…?”
The Wolf
May 12, 2016 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1151634WolfishMusingsParticipantI was at the mall last week, and they were announcing on the speakers that would the parents of some doofus come to customer service.
And I’m like, why not just tattoo your name to the kid’s cheek?
The difference is that the doofus himself can tell the mall security who his/her parents are. Tefillin bags, on the other hand, cannot.
The Wolf
May 12, 2016 12:33 am at 12:33 am #1151635Ex-CTLawyerParticipantWolf…………
I’m not foolish, Talis and Tefillin are not cheap items. They also may have sentimental attachments.
Many years ago when I lived in another city, I used to leave my weekday Talis and Tefillin bags on my seat in the minyan room at shul. Many seats had brass name plates for those who had purchased them. Those without nameplates and guests sat in seats without the brass tags.
I was late to minyan one morning because there was a car accident blocking the road. I entered and saw an unknown elderly man going through my bags.
Two days later he showed up at my home schnorring for some bogus charity. He wouldn’t leave my wife alone (I was not home). She called him out saying the charity was bogus, as there’d been a notice in the shul bulletin about it. He wouldn’t take no for an answer or leave, she had to call the police to remove him from our property. Ever since then I don’t put my home address and/or number where unknown people can find them.
May 12, 2016 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1151636feivelParticipantI’m disappointed in your response to papa, wolf.
Not at all your usual style.
There were a number of obvious flaws in popas account which you failed to address.
Among them:
1. How did popa determine the child was a doofus. He never even observed the child. He merely heard a brief, un embellished announcement.
2. Tattooing a child’s cheek is extremely impractical, probably impossible to find someone to illegally perform the procedure. It would also be a clear marker to police and nosy others that the parents performed an illegal act. Risky indeed!
3. Who says the child was lost in the first place. Maybe they were calling the parents because he was caught shoplifting.
There’s lots more, but I’ve written enough to solidify my contention that you were grossly inadequate in addressing popas point.
May 12, 2016 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1151637popa_bar_abbaParticipantTwo days later he showed up at my home schnorring for some bogus charity. He wouldn’t leave my wife alone (I was not home). She called him out saying the charity was bogus, as there’d been a notice in the shul bulletin about it. He wouldn’t take no for an answer or leave, she had to call the police to remove him from our property. Ever since then I don’t put my home address and/or number where unknown people can find them.
How do you know it was the same guy? Also, what would be the connection between seeing your name on tefilin bag and coming to your house? Your name was on the brass tack anyway.
May 12, 2016 4:46 am at 4:46 am #1151638Sam2ParticipantBecause everyone has read the famous Paysach Krohn story and will worry that their Tefillin will get sent to the wrong state if they put their address in it.
May 12, 2016 6:31 am at 6:31 am #1151639WolfishMusingsParticipantBecause everyone has read the famous Paysach Krohn story and will worry that their Tefillin will get sent to the wrong state if they put their address in it.
I guess it’s not as famous as you would think. Can you please summarize?
Thank you.
The Wolf
May 12, 2016 10:04 am at 10:04 am #1151640Ex-CTLawyerParticipantPopa,
I saw him going through my bag and then the video footage from our security camera at our front door. I was able to determine it was the same man.
People finding my name don’t find it that easy to find my home address. Most searches will bring up my office address. My home is owned and listed in an LLC name.
My name on the brass nameplate is my Hebrew Name xxxx ben xxxx.
May 12, 2016 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1151641tefillin rabbiParticipantMay 12, 2016 11:25 am at 11:25 am #1151642Sam2ParticipantWolf: Confusion between Brooklyn and Brookline, Mass.
May 12, 2016 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #1151643147ParticipantWhy Don’t People Put Their Names/Addresses In Their Tallis/Tefillin Bags? I guess I am not part of the human race nor part of “people”, since I have had my Business card in my Tefillin bag for decades already; This in addition to keeping a pocket mirror in my Tefillin bag.
May 12, 2016 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1151644–ParticipantPeople finding my name don’t find it that easy to find my home address. Most searches will bring up my office address. My home is owned and listed in an LLC name.
Does CT require home addresses to get on a ballot?
May 13, 2016 12:59 am at 12:59 am #1151645Ex-CTLawyerParticipantYou need a street address to register to vote. However, when I ran for office my campaign committee used a PO Box.
My street address for voting is an old Victorian house in my district with my Law offices on the main floor and rental units above.
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