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oh and i heard from a Rabbi that you are 100% allowed to have a dog…i’m just scared
Once in Shul the Rabbi allowed a blind man to bring his seeing eye dog (Ive never seen this before)
(This person was not a regular and ive never seen him before or since)
A frum lady was put in the hospital a few weeks ago by a neighbors dog who ran into her house and bit her and almost got her baby too.
At the outskirts of Boro Park, towards Bensenhurst.
“the Rabbi allowed a blind man to bring his seeing eye dog “
I’ve seen halachic writings that say that such a dog does not have the halachic status of an animal and would therefore be permitted in a beit knesset.
“my grandparents had cats, in order to get rid of the mice”
If you have cats, you won’t have mice.
a girl was debating on wearing an extra shirt under her clothing to cover her collarbone.. she decided to wear it and then she got chased by a dog that day who came n top of her and was biting at her she finally escaped after she jumped over a fence… she had many marks on her back but the dog would’ve been able to bite into her lungs but the dog could not get a grip on her because of the two shirts she was wearing!!
^-that’s what the experts said when the girl showed them her small bites to see if the dog had rabies
And there are how many multiple times more cars than dogs?
How about compare how many car owners had a dangerous incident versus how many dog owners had a dangerous incident.
If there were as many dogs as cars, you’d have a far higher accident rate of dogs biting men crossing the street, than there is of cars hitting men crossing the street. Simply extrapolate the number of incidents per dog per year, to the number of incidents of per car per year.
I have a golden retriever, wouldn’t hurt a fly. We have even trained it as a therapy dog, so it goes to hospitals to visit sick children….dogs get a bad rap in the frum world. I understand for a variety of reasons why they are not for everyone, but for the most part they are wonderful to have around….plus as someone already mentioned, they did not bark as we left mitzraim….so maybe as a “reward” they became domesticated pets and get to live with people……
I know someone who had a rotwiller, the dog looked mean and had a mean bark.
You would go to their house , hear it bark and then it would come up to you.
It just wanted to be petted. It was the friendliest dog you’ve ever seen.
The only dogs that usually bite are dogs that are trained that way or abused.
If a dog is trained to be a family dog, they will be very friendly
it is a stupid Brooklyn, Lakewood, willimsburg thing
outside of those communities frum people have pet cat and dogs they even make kosher for peasach food for pets
quark2
If you look up the statistics you will probably find that crossing the street or driving in a car ONE TIME is more dangerous than owning or being around a dog for a year
statistics from the cdc says over the last 20 years the average death from dog attacks is 15 per year
there are 30,000.000 dog in the usa
if people would kill at the same rate of doges there would be 150 killing a year
The problem for frum families to have pets, such as dogs, is that there is a biblical prohibition against neutering animals.
Another problem is pets are mukzteh on shabbos, so they cannot be handled.
Walking dogs on shabbos is also a big problem.
In South Africa, e.g. Johannesburg, it’s the norm, even by rabonim/rosh yeshivas to have dogs in their houses, but that’s
because of security reasons.
Most people who have dogs usually grew up with dogs and and friends with dogs, so they want a dog.
Most frum familes did not grow up with one and most of their friends dont have one, so they dont have one.
Also many people with Dogs either have small familes or no kids. The Pets act as a surragate child (I know people who call their pets FUR-BABIES).
Frum people have 5-10 kids and do not have the energy to take care of a dog. Dogs are high Maintance pets (and high reward) there is just no energy to take care of one between the energy and the expense involved (Pet Food, Vet etc)
The ans. is obvious it is like asking why we dont have video games
they are an expensive ,addictive way of self indulgence and wast of time.
Growing up, we rarely if ever heard of a frum family owning a dog. In the neighborhood in which we now live, there was a time you hardly ever saw it. However, lately, we’ve been noticing more and more frum ppl with dogs. I don’t know the reason for this. I myself would not own a dog just because i’m not really a “dog-person”. If i visit someone who has a friendly dog, i’ll pet it and think it’s cute. But i can’t see myself taking care of one.
i guess – to each his/her own. as far as the halachic implications, i suppose ppl should ask their local rav.
Another problem is pets are mukzteh on shabbos, so they cannot be handled.
do you have a mekor for this which no one argues on?
Another problem is pets are mukzteh on shabbos, so they cannot be handled.
Walking dogs on shabbos is also a big problem.
wrong
dogs that are pets and not working dogs are not mukzha on shobbos according to many rishonim The gemurha says that a certain bird is not mukzha on shobbos since its utility is not a prohibited on shobbos. the children play with the bird the same can be said about dogs if they are pets. a working dog is a different issue
the shulchan aurach say you can walk your dog with a leash in a risish horabim on shobbos and it is not considered carrying.
Ok so let me crunch some numbers here. According to the stat that shedready said, there were 15 fatalities for 30,000,000 dogs. there were 33,000,000 deaths, for 250,000,000 cars. So lets multiply the number of dogs by 10, and the number of dog deaths by 10. That would be 150 deaths, for 300,000,000 dogs.
CARS CAUSE MORE THAN 220 TIMES MORE DEATHS THAN DOGS.
And you want to tell me that dogs are more dangerous?!
one can go to the cdc Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
and see the stats themselves and would be suprised which dogs bite the most.
As a dog owner, one can many times say if one has mean dog just look at the owner and all questions will be answered.
In addition a dog is an animal and needs to be trained that certain behavior that is ok dog on dog is not ok with people.
when dogs play they will mouth or grap another dog with their mouth by the neck that has thick skin or fir. That is just play. However mouthing human is a big no no and should be taught is not ok at all. Some people allow it and say its ok I am a big boy. However what happens when the dog does it to a small child,
Most dogs are nice like most people are nice. also so kids and i see it some times in the frum community they thing a dog it a toy that they can do with it as a toy. It is not a toy and is a living being that when they thing they are in danger will try to protect themselves like any other living thing.
in one doe a search one can find many cases of dogs pets risking their lives to save their owner of family. a few years ago their was a fire in a house it was so bad the fireman could not go in. however the family dog did and even thought it was burned it carried the baby the way a dog would carry very small puppies and rescued the baby.
do a search and see many verified stories like this
Dogs are NOT Mutkzah, the Poop might be nolad though and cleaning up after the dog on shabbos might be a problem
“Another problem is pets are mukzteh on shabbos”
this is not necessarily the case…there is alot written about it
Many hospitals use dogs to visit with patience, it’s proven that they can be very theraputic…
Shedready,
Do you have a dog?
Do you have a car?
You say “the shulchan aurach say you can walk your dog with a leash in a risish horabim on shobbos and it is not considered carrying.” Once we get past all the misspellings and garbled language, can you cite the where? (Other than saying you saw it 0n the web.)
You also say that there were 33 million deaths for 250 million cars.
By that stat, after almost 8 years, everyone in the US should be dead. Obviously, your “stats” are entirely made up.
And I love how you quote yourself as a basis for statistics.
There are a myriad of reasons why people do not have a dog. There is no mitzvah, or chiyuv to have a dog. There are alot of halachic issues one would have to deal with that can well be a disincentive to have a dog. Besides the mess and the cost associated with them.
Your most brilliant dissertation values dogs greater than humans (Where you mention pets that have gone into fires when humans wouldn’t). Perhaps in your case that is correct. And we know that there was a very evil philosophy that held them same. But most civilzed people do not feel that way. And it certainly is not the Torah way. (Torah, is the guide that jews live by. In case you have not heard of it before)
because we are scared of them!!!!!!!!
quark,
click on yours then in the internet search bar change your name with whomever you want to search
It sounds like you are waiting for someone to say it is assur to own a dog.
I don’t know why you want that.
But I’ll humor you.
It is assur to own a dog. If you see a jew with a dog, you can’t eat at their house or drink their wine, or give them an aliya, or bury them in a jewish cemetery.
You have to bury them in a dog cemetery.
It is assur to own a dog. If you see a jew with a dog, you can’t eat at their house or drink their wine, or give them an aliya, or bury them in a jewish cemetery.
You have to bury them in a dog cemetery.
Is that a permanent p’sul, or does it disappear if you no longer own a dog?
Also, what if you are a dog? A wolf is more or less just an undomesticated dog anyway…
And what about someone who owns a hamster?
The Wolf
Well this is certainly bad news for me, my wife and children…what a bummer 🙁
why mike? if someone loves dogs, why wouldn’t he love to be buried with them? 🙂
becasue my dog likes to chew on bones 🙂
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