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every guy goes to israel after high school for at least a year; why? does it have to be davka in israel? why is it better to go to yeshiva in israel than to go to say a chofetz chaim branch in the states? What about israel makes a guy “mature”? Can that only happen in israel?
1. Not everyone goes to Israel. There are plenty of non-Israel options.
2. Israel is more fun than going to a local yeshiva. Kids that age in almost all cultures like to get away from home. It has nothing to do with being more mature.
3. Israel is typically cheaper than going to non-Israeli student and staying in a dorm.
4. Eretz Yisrael is our homeland, and is a great place to visit (as long as you ignore its somehwat annoying government and rowdy neighbors)
#1- no England’s nice too, If you like rain
#2- there is a wider variety of yeshivas in Israel, while you may not find you’re place here the chances of you finding it there are higher
#3- learning independence for one thing, also, seeing different types of people, especially in the bigger yeshivas, leads one to evolve his viewpoint of other Jews and learning how to get along with people who are not exactly the same
#4- no but it helps!
who is everyone?
I’m not everyone. No high school, no Israel.
“Avira Shel Israel Machkima”
To be in the army I assume. It is only fair.
Eretz Yisrael is our homeland, and is a mitzvat asei to live there (which seems to be ignored by many).
Machkim.
Avir is masculine.
Maybe you should buy a ticket, 147. Or start rowing.
Takahm, it is not entirely clear that the mitzvah of yishuv Eretz Yisrael is applicable for all generations. Some put it into the category of those mitzvos that apply b’zman she’beis hamikdash kayam.
Ki MiTzion teitzei Torah!
Is this a serious question???
Do you forget what Chazal say about Eretz Yisrael?
Our Rabbis taught: One should always live in the Land of Israel, even in a town most of whose inhabitants are idolaters, but let no one live outside the Land, even in a town most of whose inhabitants are Israelites; for whoever lives in the Land of Israel may be considered to have a God, but whoever lives outside the Land may be regarded as one who has no God.
Some put it into the category of those mitzvos that apply b’zman she’beis hamikdash kayam.
Some may be incorrect.
Takahm, your attitude puzzles me.
I’m curious how much time you’ve spent studying the issue.
The source of the Mitzvah is the passuk in Parshas Masei (Bamidbar 33) where it says “Ve’yishavtem bah.” Right there it begins with a seeming disagreement between Rashi & the Ramban.
There is also a lot of discussion by those who came after him as to why yishuv Eretz Yisrael is not in the Rambam’s list of Mitzvos.
There are poskim who discuss the Gemara in Kesubos about a husband or wife compelling their spouse to move to Eretz Yisrael, what the halachic ramifications are, and how all this connects to the Mitzvah of yishuv Ha’Aretz. (I think it’s the end of that part of Kesubos that ymbyi quoted to us. And just as an aside to ymby- when you want to quote something like that, please tell us the exact source of your quote. Some of us don’t know pages and pages of Gemara by heart.)
Questions arise as to whether the mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael is just a part of being able to observe the mitzvos ha’teluyos ba’aretz.
I think there’s even one opinion that the difficulties in observing the mitzvos ha’teluyos ba’aretz make it inadvisable to live there!
It’s not a topic that I pretend to have a clear or (anywhere near) full understanding of, and I wonder if you think that you do, takahm.
I don’t think anyone will argue with my saying that the Rishonim and Acharonim that analyzed all of this are NOT people that you can refer to as being incorrect.
Best kosher pizza anywhere.
Best of the best: “Bulgarian pizza” at the King David hotel. Pricey but excellent. And it’s nice to sit in a place where Jewish terrorists were successful.
Golfer: The phrase is in Aramaic so the grammar wasn’t wrong, but he should have said Ara D’yisrael.
Also, there is a rejected opinion in the Gemara that it’s Assur to go to Israel nowadays. Other than that, I am not aware of any actual Shittah that says that the Mitzvah of Yishuv Eretz Yisrael is only applicable when there is a Bayis.
I think you’re wrong, Sam2.
I’m pretty sure it is “avira” (as in air of, not “ara” as in land of) and it is “machkim”.
But I can’t find it!
Anybody care to look it up?
With regard to yishuv Ha’Aretz, there’s a great tape from Rav Frand on it. He can tell you a lot more, and a lot more authoritatively, than I can.
“Eretz Yisrael is our homeland, and is a mitzvat asei to live there (which seems to be ignored by many)”
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Vilna Gaon, Chofetz Chaim, Rav Moshe Feinstein, last Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rav Kotler, Rav Ruderman, Rav Pam, Rav Kamenetzky (just name the few) did not live in EY. Are you saying they knew less than you about this mitzvah?
Sam2, it seemed neither you, nor anybody else in CR Land, were interested, or able, to help out.
So a real person in the real world did. (Thanks!)
And here it is:
Avira d’Eretz Yisrael machkim.
It’s in B”B.
I was going to leave it at that.
But since B”B is so long, I’m offering a bit of help.
It’s in the 9th perek.
No but going to another place usually makes a person be a stronger religious-wise its just like when a israeli comes to america they have a bigger chance of becoming religious when your in a different country its easier to become religious because you don’t have your friends or family to judge you etc on the same note its also easier to go off the derech and do stuff that you would never do in your hometown
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