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can we openly discuss the donkey in the room?
Joe Biden bragged, on a now widely disseminated video, about threatening to withhold money that was promised to Ukraine, unless a specific prosecutor was fired.
There was a fear that that prosecutor would make things a bit hot for the interests of at least one of the Bidens .
Should Joe and his boss Obama, whom he openly implicated, In that same video, have been impeached?
If yes, why is it OK for Joe to now run for president undisturbed by that?
If not can we please get a logical rational explanation of why, and how it is materially different than what trump is accused of?
Reb Eleizer
Rebbe Debbie
Amil zola
CT lawyerYou have on this forum vociferously advocated for the impeachment of president Trump.
So I ask specifically if at least one of you can set forth a logical explanation for this example of glaring hypocrisy.
Yes this is an honest question.
It is one of the underpinnings of the contention that this entire ”impeachment ”is just a sham partisan low blow.
Let’s have an open and frank discussion about it.Just because I do not like Trump does not mean I support Biden. #YangGang2020
klugeryid, I don’t know if the moderators will allow the aricle., so google biden fires prosecutor. Read the artiicle from USA Today dated October 3, 2019 tiltled Explainer – Biden, allies pushed out Ukranian prosecutor.
I detest Trump’s actions, but that doesn’t mean I support Biden. In fact I shall not be voting for Biden or Sanders in the Primary or CT State Democratic convention. I have made my point in my local Democratic Town Committee that both of these men are too old to start a 4 year term as President. They have had their time in elected office and it time for new faces.
As to the accusations of the OP. Vice Presidents have no power except to break ties in the Senate. They stand in the wings, fill in for the President at funerals and inaugurations around the world but cannot hire or fire federal officials. I doubt there was an impeachable offense. Much of what Biden is accused of happened when he was not in office (after January 20, 2017 and therefore not subject to impeachment.
Joe Biden cannot be held responsible for anything that he has done in the past few years.
Search on the USA Today website on the full title, Explainer – Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn’t pursue corruption cases.
Maybe they should of been impeached, may be not. That has no bearing on Trumps impeachment. Nor does it prove this impeachment is a sham.
CTL is voting Warren 😒
Kluger……Biden’s effort to get rid of the corrupt prosecutor in question were consistent with the efforts of ALL the other European countries ‘who were also trying to persuade Ukraine to get rid of the guy before they would contribute additional funds. As others have noted, there is no comparison with the current situation with the Trumpkpf. But even if there was some analogy, what does that have to do with Trump’s claim he was doing so to “fight corruption”. Never in our history have we had a president who has expressed “love” and “great respect” for the world’s most corrupt and evil foreign leaders in Russia, China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc. Tonight we learned he ordered the Sec of State to “get rid of the law” (the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act”) that prohibits American countries from bribing foreign government entities. So much for the “Corruption Fighter in Chief”.
klugeryid. did you read the article which answers your question?
klugeryid, I am sending you to the article that answers your question. The moderators don’t accept the artucle or a web link.
klugeryid, GH says the same thing. Why are you asking the question, if you don’t want to accept the answer from anyone?
Correction to my prior post….Trump the Corruption Fighter tried to get former Sec of State Tillerson to get rid of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act which prohibits American COMPANIES from bribing foreign officials (See documentation in new book entitled “Trump the Stable Genius” which went on sale in the past hour on Amazon and other booksites)
Also, with respect to the Bidens, if a President’s/Vice President’s family making money from the WH connections was an impeachable offense, Trump would be back selling condos in Moscow by now. While there were episodes throughout American history of this kind of “corriuption” including with Carter (remember Billy Beer), the Bushes (Neil and the Banks) etc. The Trumpkopf kids and in-laws are making more $$ from their Daddy’s position than any of their predecessors.klugeryid, I would not have pointed out to you, if it wasn’t worthwhile. You are insulting me by not reading it that I am so naive to believe everything.
Ky,
You have a point. The House of Representatives rejected it.
That is the reason for a FULL trial in the senate.
Let us all hear from all the witnesses on both sides and let them determine which reasoning is more compelling.
Was it Trump really caring about corruption or as many have testified that it was a tactic to knock off Biden.@1
Wrong as usual
Not a fan of Senator Warren……she has yet to show how she can fund her Medicare for All plans in a fiscally sound way
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That said, if she is the nominee and is running against Trump, I will vote against Trump
But…….
There are other choices besides, Warren, Sanders, Biden, Buttigieg……
Steyer, and Bloomberg are more to my liking. I don’t buy Yang’s $1000 month welfare for all.Lol Bloomberg. Thanks for playing. If you vote for any Democrat you vote against Jews.
CTL: I know you dont agree with nor with his moral values but yet you would consider voting for Buttigieg? Biden who has a son that has fathered a child out of wedlock (and denied it?)
Steyer invests in private prisons. If that’s your guy, you lose any respect.
Jackk,
Interesting because Democrats like to only hear from people that agree with their views
CTlawyer,
I wanted to start a new thread on this but here’s a good place to put my question
“Why do you hate trump so much?”
I don’t think any republican here hated Obama with as much passion as you hate trump
klugeeyid, Biden followed other allies of the US who wanted this Ukrainian prosecutor gone because of corruptiion and it was not because of Biden’s son because he did not prosecute Burisma and his son, so for that there was no reason to get rid of him.
I realize I did not write a coherent sentence. “CTL: I know you dont agree with nor with his moral values but yet you would” should have read I know you dont agree with Trump nor with his moral values but yet you would”
CA,
You call spending 8 years questioning whether Obama was even an American (and some R’s still believe this) and declaring him a closet Muslim as not hating him so much ?
Read some posts whenever the name Obama gets mentioned even in passing and you will hear real sinah to him , his wife and his kids.
Obama is hated by R’s just as much as D’s Trump.
The hypocrisy is that when Trump does the exact same thing as Obama did , Trump supporters love it.I don’t really understand why anyone who has seen or heard from Biden lately would vote for him. I’d maybe understand voting for him back when he was alive, but now that the DNC has reanimated his corpse in order to keep the Democratic Party bland, I just don’t get it.
I didn’t say I will vote for Biden, but If he is innocent, we should acknowledge that.
Because Trump outdid him politically
Reb Eliezer, there’s no way Biden is innocent.
Your point about our “allies” wishes reminds me of something we teach our children. If all of our allies wanted someone to jump off of a bridge, should we encourage the potential jumper in the name of peaceful diplomatic relations, or encourage the individual to do the right thing?
@Lowerourtuition
I don’t care about Biden’s grandchild, it wasn’t fathered by Joe Biden
I think Buttigieg would make an excellent VP candidate. He needs more years and experience before being Presidential material….especially foreign affairsI put Bloomberg and Steyer’s names in my post to make people realize there are other candidates. Not one word appears in this thread about Senator Klobuchar…she has promise.
I’ve posted before I don’t hate Trump, I hate his actions.
He cost my family more than 300K in unpaid invoices when he filed bankruptcy for properties in Atlantic City. Our telecommunications equipment company had supplied the phone systems for two casinos. He appointed Linda McMahon of WWE to a major post. She beat our company for 200K in her corporate bankruptcy.My brother started the company back in 1977. I was an investor and partner and shared in the losses.
Trump is an adulterer, liar, deadbeat, etc. That’s enough reasons for me to dislike his actions.Jackk,
Hypocrisy is also when trump does the same thing as Obama the democrats scream but not when Obama did it
I don’t remember any sinah towards his family but hey it was a while ago
Bankruptcy happens in business.
CTlawyer,
“If you think this thrice married adulterer, bankrupt liar is a proper role model for the country I feel sorry for your lack of morals.”
“I never used the term deport………………
I said he should pack up his fractured family and leave the country.““The Adulterer in Chief, Liar in Chief wouldn’t know how to do an honorable thing. It is time for him and his despicable fractured family to pack up and leave the country. Let his buddy (puppeteer) Putin resettle them in Siberia“
“I don’t support the thrice married adulterer who spews lies every time he opens his mouth.“
You don’t hate him, you DESPISE him
@Coffeeaddict
after all, Trump is despicableklugeryid, you don’t appear as klug as your name. A president is required to be examplary role model to look up to, which he is not.
RE: I don recall that “A president is required to be examplary role model to look up to, which he is not.” all that is required is to be a natural born US citizen and be 35 year old. I am pretty sure that Bill “I have caused pain in my marriage” Clinton didnt meet your requirement.
Reb eliezer,
Were you saying the same thing when Clinton was President and wanted him impeached?
As I am listening to the impeachment trial, they say that there is no validity to the allegations against Biden, and by removing the prosecuror creates more chance with the new prosecuter that Burisma and his son would be investigated. Biden followed the existing US policy at his time together with the EU and other US allies. Biden’s son was aquited by Ukrainian officials indicating that he did nothing wrong. This was after the prosecutor Sholkin was removed.
RE: how does your response in 1825493 answer the questions in 1825456 and 1825451?
Two wrongs don’t make a right. People want to look up to their president. I will only vote for someone I can look up to.
I did not agree with all policies of Bush as the Iraq War, but he was an honorable person.
I am voting for Trump
however, I am just curious—-which of the Democratic nominees is best for Israel?
Reb Eleizer
Rebbe Debbie
Amil zola
CT lawyerklugeryid, you don’t know your histoty. Obama was against same gender until Biden forced him to change his mind.
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