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People think there is an easy solution to the problem, there isnt an easy solution and probably no solution
And the problem will only get worse as rents go up and there are more kollel familes than there were in previous generations, whereas before maybe a grandparent could help because they were professionals, today the grandparents are also kollel family with alot of grandchildren and they cannot afford to help the tutiotn
“4. Administrators should charge their tuitions and someone who cant pay should go to a community based tuition organization. As communities we cannot impose the communal charity responsibility on the yeshivas.”
Rafe: And what if the parent who cannot afford cannot find a “community based tuition organization” to partially fund their children’s tuition?
1) First of all this is, for the most part – for the vast majority of the Yeshivos, Beis Yaakovs, Chedarim, and Day Schools throughout the United States – a thing of the past.
2) Approximately 25 percent of New York City families pay full tuition. About half of those have done so by January – February. That, understandably, places a burden on the administrators in first half of any school year.
3) Average annual cost per class is minimum $200, 000,likely closer to $300,000 when you include each salary, maintenance, utilities, food, etc.
Therefore, I think we have much to be thankful for; supportive askanim, sacrificing parents, and hardworking administrations and staff.I agree with shuali, it’s more of a problem in new and developing schools,younger than 15 years old or older schools that have lost portions of their enrollment.
The problem is that the teachers are not paid enough and so we are not getting and retaining the best or we are and we are just making them suffer.Joseph, I am saying that there needs to be a shift in the communal mindset away from yeshivas providing aid, to independent organizations or individuals providing aid. This is for a very simple reason…yeshivas are quasi businesses and apparently no one trusts owner and administrators to manage their budgets and effectively pay staff. We need to take that burden off of our yeshivas. We dont enforce the grocery stores to provide free food we should not do it to schools.
As a side note ask yourself when you are more likely to help out? When it’s a yeshiva asking for its overall messy budget or when your neighbors kid is sitting home?“Rebbes and Morah’s are more forgiving than the Banks or Power Companies.”
You wouldnt know it from threads such as this. Right from the opening message in this thread, yeshiva administrators are labeled as flaunting a sugya in shas and a whole siman in shulchan aruch. Since we are ok with using such broad brushes, lets label all parents who do not pay tuition deadbeats.
“I agree with shuali, it’s more of a problem in new and developing schools”
I agree also. It’s not like this is a problem in 100% of yeshivas. It is not, as some have asserted, that all yeshivas are financially insolvent by definition. People should not be opening new ones without enough cash flow and savings to be able to pay their teachers. It defies common sense.
In any other industry everyone would agree. When you talk about yeshivas, suddenly nobody cares about the teachers. The way the Litvish world views “the yeshivas” as a collective is relatively in-tune with how Lubavitchers view “the Rebbe.” If an unethical action is committed, rather than own up to it, they redefine their entire ethical code such that the action is now considered acceptable.
People should not be opening new ones without enough cash flow and savings to be able to pay their teachers. It defies common sense.
Do you know whynew yeshivos open? Usually because there isn’t enough space in the existing ones.
Saying not to open new ones when there aren’t enough slots for everyone isn’t a solution.
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I have no problem owning up to the viewpoint that you seem to think is hypocritical. If a parent has 5+ kids and is expected to pay 10K+ in tuition for them, that’s a crisis. When a yeshiva asks for 10K+ in tuition per student, pays its staff minimally, and can’t be bothered to pay them on time, it’s not a crisis; it’s just mismanagement. And yes, I would say teachers should take one out of the power companies’ books and be less forgiving. They shouldn’t be taken advantage of.“Saying not to open new ones when there aren’t enough slots for everyone isn’t a solution.”
But having teachers as slaves is? If there aren’t enough slots then expand the existing yeshivas.“When you talk about yeshivas, suddenly nobody cares about the teachers. ”
Thats absurd.
“But having teachers as slaves is?”
Anyone can walk away at any time. In fact, they likely knew going in that they would end up in the predicament being discussed.“If a parent has 5+ kids and is expected to pay 10K+ in tuition for them, that’s a crisis.”
Please name one Yeshiva that demands this from every family.“When a yeshiva asks for 10K+ in tuition per student, pays its staff minimally, and can’t be bothered to pay them on time, it’s not a crisis; it’s just mismanagement.”
I will agree with this statement if the word “asks” is replaced with “gets”. You show me a Yeshiva that gets that tuition from every student, and I will show you a school with a highly qualified, professional staff that is well paid, on time. Every other Yeshiva does not get anywhere near that kind of tuition per student and as a result their highly qualified staff is underpaid, and is often behind on payroll and other bills.
” And yes, I would say teachers should take one out of the power companies’ books and be less forgiving. They shouldn’t be taken advantage of.”
If halacha allows it, I’m all for it. I’ll stand with them in the picket line if they felt it would be beneficial.
Each high school needs to hire a qualified teacher of a financial literacy class. Teach balancing budgets, living within means, etc.
Too many kids growing up nowadays have NO idea how to balance a budget. Many who have grown up with discounted tuitions don’t understand the true cost of running a school and how important the tuition is to continuing the long term goals of the school.
Financial literacy should be taught in elementary school because high school is actually supposed to be optional.
Jobs don’t grow on trees. So when somebody doesn’t gets paid on time and without notice it wreaks havoc on families that rely on the checks to feed their families, put gas in their cars to get to the job and pay their rents. If the electricity isn’t paid in the yeshiva won’t get off and nor will the yeshiva be repossessed at the drop of a hat. To suggest this is very dishonest. Also are the administrators paying themselves on time? Who knows? When people go into chinuch they know it will be tough. In the end the moral of the mechanchim is destroyed. But the disgusting behavior of delaying checks will not be overlooked as we are all being watched.
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