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July 23, 2015 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1151363👑RebYidd23Participant
There is no need to ask a question when one knows the answer.
July 24, 2015 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1151364zogt_besserParticipantJoseph- “A husband is a rebbe to his wife and children.”
If you have s halachic source for this concept, I’d love to see it. As I said before, you’re right that a wife should ask her husband about family minhagim. But when it comes to halacha, she should either learn the material herself (if its shayach and easy), or ask a rov.
Golfer- I wasnt trying to imply that women (or anyone) should learn instead of asking a shailah. when in doubt, ask a rov (especially if its a time sensitive/complicated matter). and never ever feel ashamed for asking a question!
July 24, 2015 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1151365JosephParticipantJuly 24, 2015 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1151366golferParticipantDon’t worry, zogt-b, I always prefer to ask than to err.
And when I’m not sure if my shayla to the Rav is actually a Shayla for the Rav, I ask my husband** if I should make the call. But if he wasn’t there to help clarify matters, I wouldn’t hesitate. I’ve never had a Rav laugh at me, or answer my questions with anything less than the utmost patience and respect. Even Erev Pesach.
(**I have no problem with ladies asking their husbands for guidance in Halachic matters. I just don’t think it should be institutionalized as the only way to handle matters of this nature.)
Joseph, that was a great post.
Can the Mods tell us if that was a first?
I’ve seen many sources quoted in Halachic discussions here in the CR. The Shulchan Aruch, the Rambam, the Mishna Brura, Rishonim, Achronim, and a vast array of poskim. Sefarim I’ve heard of and others I never have. But this is the first time I’ve seen the CR used as a “SOURCE.”
Congrats, CR!
Seems we’ve been promoted.
July 24, 2015 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #1151367golferParticipantAs for the original question that led to all of this discussion-
Women like flowers because they’re beautiful and fragile and often smell nice. Women love to nurture. Flowers thrive with care and wilt without, unlike inanimate objects that just sit there oblivious to our care or lack thereof. (But I happen to know a few people who are not women who like flowers too.)
July 24, 2015 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1151368👑RebYidd23ParticipantOf course it’s okay for women to ask their husbands. It’s also okay for men to ask their wives.
July 24, 2015 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1151369JosephParticipantAre you dense, golfer? Those threads, especially the first, have a whole host of sources directly cited with verbatim translated quotations, from a whole host of Seforim that you’ve heard of (Rambam, Gemora et al) and others you probably did not. Why not take a look at them and read the sources before spouting.
July 24, 2015 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1151370👑RebYidd23ParticipantAnd where in halacha does it say that it is proper to call a lady “dense”?
July 24, 2015 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #1151371YW Moderator-29 👨💻ModeratorRebYidd – I think that needs to be posted on the assumptions thread…check it out.
July 24, 2015 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #1151372JosephParticipantRY23, Mod29 is correct in that you made a bad assumption here. I am not a woman. (Please give the flowers to golfer.) So when golfer called me dense on the last post of the previous page she was not calling a woman dense. I, on the other hand, subsequently only asked if she is.
July 24, 2015 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #1151373YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator🙂
July 24, 2015 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1151376zogt_besserParticipantJoseph- Thanks for linking to the posts. In the future though, I’d prefer if you could so kindly give precise maareh mekomos to save me the time of scrolling thru dozens of irrelevant comments.
As to the content: If you recall, the question here is about you telling a wife to ask her husband halachic shailahs as opposed to telling her to ask her rov.
I looked at the links you posted and found little that addresses the inyan directly. The sources you (under the names ‘shlishi,’ ‘avhaben,’ et al) brought do say that the wife has to honor her husband a lot. ein hacha nami. But no mekor says that a husband is a “rebbe” to his wife and children, as you put it earlier.
So unless I know for sure that a woman’s husband is a talmid chochom, I would not tell her to ask him a shailah. It’s a bad chazaka to assume all frum baalabatim can pasken. So, I’d advise her to either ask a rov or look it up herself if the shailah is uncomplicated (per rema, she should know it anyway!).
July 27, 2015 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #1151377👑RebYidd23ParticipantJoseph: Note that I also only asked.
July 28, 2015 4:54 am at 4:54 am #1151378princess leebaMemberPlease do not post comments like this in the coffee room. There are girls and boys here and i do not think it is tznius for boys and girls to talk about this kind of thing. Thank you.
July 28, 2015 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1151379MRS PLONYParticipantprincess leeba, Um, which comments are you referring to?
For the record, I like flowers because they look pretty and smell pretty. (Live flowers, of course; I’ve already expressed my opinions on cut flowers). It’s socially acceptable for women and girls to care about prettiness, but not so much for men to do so. Why that is the case is a separate issue.
July 29, 2015 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1151380princess leebaMemberMrs Plony – girls and boys should not talk about flowers together that is not tznius sorry.
July 29, 2015 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1151381👑RebYidd23ParticipantWhat is it about flowers that makes it not tznius sorry?
July 29, 2015 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1151382MRS PLONYParticipantPrincess leeba: Oooookayyy…
Uh, since both boys and girls post on the CR, is there any topic that we can discuss? I think I’ve seen a thread title about getting a mechitza here, but I haven’t actually opened it to look in.
July 30, 2015 2:51 am at 2:51 am #1151383princess leebaMemberI think that would be a good idea. People need to watch out for their neshamos and that includes not talking to the other gender. This is coming from someone who use to talk to boys so i know what im talking about.
July 30, 2015 3:55 am at 3:55 am #1151384👑RebYidd23ParticipantPrincess Leeba, why in the world are you coming here and telling people of unspecified gender not to talk to the opposite gender?
July 30, 2015 5:01 am at 5:01 am #1151385princess leebaMemberBecause its a HUGE aveirah that a LOT of frum people unfortunately are dealing with and even in the coffee room where their are mixed genders or just in college, jewish or non jewish their guys! I just want people to learn from a girl who almost went off the derech and talked to guys to not talk to the opposite gender and be good religious Jews.
July 30, 2015 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1151387MRS PLONYParticipantMay 8, 2016 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1151388MRS PLONYParticipantOkay, I finally got it!
If you give any one (male or female) a ‘thing’ as a gift (like a vase or a picture frame or a stuffed animal) then they might not like it, and then you’re just contributing to their clutter problem. And if you give consumables as a gift (like candy or fruit) then they might not eat it before it spoils or they might not want to gain weight.
But if you give a woman flowers then it’s not going to be clutter because the flowers are going to die soon anyway. And she doesn’t have to force herself to eat some to prove to you that she appreciates the gift.
May 8, 2016 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #1151389mw13ParticipantBut if you give a woman flowers then it’s not going to be clutter because the flowers are going to die soon anyway. And she doesn’t have to force herself to eat some to prove to you that she appreciates the gift.
Then give her dandelions.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/quotes-2#post-609609
May 8, 2016 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #1151390👑RebYidd23ParticipantIf you give her dandelions, she will have to eat some to prove she appreciates it.
May 8, 2016 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1151391HealthParticipantMw13 -“Then give her dandelions.”
That won’t solve the problem! As you can see – they are edible.
May 9, 2016 3:35 am at 3:35 am #1151392yehudayonaParticipantOne doesn’t eat dandelion flowers. One eats the leaves.
May 9, 2016 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1151393HealthParticipantYY -“One doesn’t eat dandelion flowers.””But if you give a woman flowers then it’s not going to be clutter because the flowers are going to die soon anyway.”
When they wilt, then you can eat the flowers!
May 9, 2016 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1151394👑RebYidd23ParticipantThe entire plant is edible, though some parts are bitter.
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