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November 19, 2015 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #616685newbeeMember
Why does local orthodox Rabbi mean anything in this day and age? There could be 50 local orthodox rabbis in one city alone. So what does the term even mean when in one block there are several different shules you go to with different Rabbis all saying different things. Why not ask a non-local orthodox Rabbi? And what defines local?
If it means a Rabbi who personally knows you, why assume that that Rabbi is local? And perhaps your local orthodox Rabbi does not know you at all. Perhaps you are able to explain yourself and situation over the phone or knew a non-local Rabbi before you moved.
Why not change the term to: “ask your trusted orthodox Rabbi” or go listen to a shiur about it here from this Rabbi who addresses your exact question etc.
November 20, 2015 12:16 am at 12:16 am #1113285WolfishMusingsParticipantLet me ask you… when someone on the news reports “The White House (or City Hall, or the Governor’s Mansion, etc.) today released a statement saying…” do you object on the grounds that a building is incapable of releasing a statement?
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November 20, 2015 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1113286JosephParticipantThe key term in that advice is Your.
Every Jew needs a rabbi. He’s your final authority. Ask him your questions.
November 20, 2015 12:35 am at 12:35 am #1113287Mashiach AgentMemberCause no one wants to give you an answer to a halachos question that they are not 100percent sure is the right answer and be responsible for it in the Olam haemet
So its easier to just tell you speak to your LOR
November 20, 2015 12:35 am at 12:35 am #1113288πRebYidd23ParticipantBecause many questions are best asked in person.
November 20, 2015 1:39 am at 1:39 am #1113289β’οΈ Rand0m3x π²ParticipantIt’s an established phrase which pre-dates telecommunications. π
November 20, 2015 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1113290skripkaParticipantwould you rather he ask YOUR LOR? π
November 20, 2015 3:51 am at 3:51 am #1113291popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think the key word in that sentence is ask. A lot of people try to consult their local orthodox rabbi, but are not successful because they forget to ask.
For example, suppose you want to know if it is muttar to use the internet. So you go to your local orthodox rabbi, and say, “the internet, azei.” And he has no idea what you want, so he just answers “the internet, azoi.” If you want to know, you have to ask.
November 20, 2015 4:14 am at 4:14 am #1113292newbeeMember“would you rather he ask YOUR LOR? :)”
Yes, maybe. If one of the local orthodox rabbis around is more knowledgeable in the subject at hand than his local orthodox rabbi and they have the time to hear his situation.
November 20, 2015 4:16 am at 4:16 am #1113293newbeeMemberI understand the main point is to ask. But the term “local” has become SO universal…I don’t get why. Maybe I’ll ask your local orthodox Rabbi, maybe he will know.
“It’s an established phrase which pre-dates telecommunications. ;)”
That would be very interesting if it indeed did pre-date telecommunications.
November 20, 2015 4:26 am at 4:26 am #1113294newbeeMemberSo on google when you type in “ask your local” the top suggestions are:
ask your local member of parliament
local sheriff
local weapon trader for the superperforator (I have no idea what this is)
All these authoritative positions differ vastly by geographic location- since each state and city have different laws. But halacha does not change systematically in different geographic areas.
November 20, 2015 4:36 am at 4:36 am #1113295charliehallParticipant“Every Jew needs a rabbi. He’s your final authority. Ask him your questions.”
Joseph and I agree on something.
Mashiach is coming.
November 20, 2015 5:40 am at 5:40 am #1113296zogt_besserParticipantThe phrase probably dates back to a time where there were less rabbis and more emphasis on local minhag. Thus, in a given town, you would have one or two poskim recognized by all, who determined the practices of that town. nowadays, plenty of people have semicha and minhag hamakom doesn’t really exist in america (see rav moshe’s teshuvah abt tefillin on c”hm on this).
November 20, 2015 6:18 am at 6:18 am #1113297β DaasYochid βParticipantAccording to the Wikipedia article “Sholom Klass”, Q&A, the Jewish Press column, popularized the term.
November 20, 2015 6:37 am at 6:37 am #1113298sonMemberBut halacha does not change systematically in different geographic areas.
That’s true, but the chumros/kulos and different minhagim followed certainly vary to the point that what might be poretz geder in one place might not be in another.
November 20, 2015 6:42 am at 6:42 am #1113299Shopping613 πParticipantThe expression LOR was formed before there were 50 rabbis on every block. No one changed the expression since. If you want-go ahead and try to make a revolution. In any case, there are questions you could ask about a TOR. Is he trusted? How do you know?….and so on…
November 20, 2015 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1113300B1g B0yParticipantAsk your LOR
November 20, 2015 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1113301newbeeMember“That’s true, but the chumros/kulos and different minhagim followed certainly vary to the point that what might be poretz geder in one place might not be in another.”
There is no minhag hamakom. Only shule policy for every individual shule. So if its a woman asking the question, “do I need to cover my head” I would say ask the “rabbi of your shule”- not your LOR. If she is asking a kashrus question, can ask anyone.
November 20, 2015 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #1113302β DaasYochid βParticipantToday, there are few places which truly have minhag hamakom. Most people follow their father’s minhag. The reasons to prefer a rav who is local have been mentioned – some shailos should be asked in person, and if the rav knows you, he can better gauge where you’re holding in terms of chumros and kulos and to apply sha’as had’chak. True, it is possible to have a rav who is not local, but the term and expression are sensible.
November 20, 2015 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1113303apushatayidParticipant“Why do so many people give the advise “ask your local orthodox rabbi”
In my opinion you are emphasizing the wrong word. The advise is not to ask the “local” Rabbi, rather “YOUR” local Rabbi. The Mishna in Avos exhorts us “Aseh LICHA Rav”.
November 20, 2015 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1113304popa_bar_abbaParticipant“Every Jew needs a rabbi. He’s your final authority. Ask him your questions.”
Joseph and I agree on something.
Where you disagree is “Every rabbi needs a rabbi.”
November 20, 2015 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1113305newbeeMemberOk guys, when people around the world use the term “ask your local so and so” it always has to do with things being systematically different to that local location. So instead of saying ask your LOR, just say ask your OR.
You save an entire letter.
November 20, 2015 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1113306β DaasYochid βParticipantCan you show the non local rabbi your lulav and esrog on Instagram?
November 21, 2015 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1113307sonMemberThere is no minhag hamakom.
In Yerushalayim I know of a few poskim who disagree with you. It might not be “minhag hamakom shel paam”, but the concept is certainly there. The tznius example actually falls right into the boat of what has been addressed.
November 21, 2015 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #1113308newbeeMemberYea, you could take an HD photo and email to to any rov or the hotline emails. Obviously there are a few things better in person, but constantly saying ask your LOR gives extra validity and exposure to a local rabbi versus the most qualified one. And if you say ask your OR people will obviously know if it needs to be in person they will go to the most local Rabbi, there is no need to make the word “local” part of the go to answer for every question.
November 21, 2015 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #1113309β DaasYochid βParticipantNo, you need to show it in person. No, there is no need to use the word local, but people will do it anyhow.
November 21, 2015 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1113310newbeeMember“The tznius example actually falls right into the boat of what has been addressed.”
I dont see how it does. Tznius varies from extreme to not at all in nearly all Jewish areas outside of Israel. If you are talking about the policy of a specific synagogue, you should say ask your SR (synagogue rabbi).
Either SR for specific synagogue questions or OR for all general questions.
November 22, 2015 12:02 am at 12:02 am #1113311β DaasYochid βParticipantOf course it does. It is not okay to violate the tznius standards of a particular city or neighborhood.
November 22, 2015 2:02 am at 2:02 am #1113312newbeeMemberThere are no tznius standards for particular cities in the united states that the local populace abides to. Only specific synagogues.
There is no dress code for public streets in the US.
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