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What’s with Litvocks always saying Tachnun??
They don’t say during the entire month of Nissan.
Maybe on other days that chassidim don’t say like on rebbes yahrtzeit
I am not a litvak but why do chasiddim find excuses not say like in hod or a rebbes yahr zeit?
We have to beg Hashem to forgive you for always skipping it.
disagree – Litvakim do not say tachanun and have a l’chaim on all yohrtzeits of all litvishe Rebbes! the rest 355 days of the year, they say tachanun and learn.
Basically, because in Halachah it says to say Tachanun most days. You need to ask the question: Why do Chassidim hardly ever say Tachanun? I’m a Chosid and I don’t know the answer to that.
The Radoshitser Rebbe, known in his day as ‘der kleiner Baal Shem Tov’ urged everyone to say tachnun. He explained that neglecting it resulted in the extreme poverty people suffered. He would tell people to calculate how many times they had omitted it, and then say it that many times.
Apart from that, in many areas chasidim did not have a habit of not saying itWhy do Chasidim always say Shemoneh Esrei?
I believe chasidim don’t say it because it is very powerful and if not said correctly can be dangerous.(Kaf Hachayim).
I heard in Detroit that Reb Leib Zatzal was very makpid to say tachnun, because when in Shang Hi it was felt that is was very needed.The better question is why does YWN allow such obvious trolls?
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Harav Pinchos Teitz of AgudasIsrael Beis Binyamin was known to say if people knew the power of Tachnun they would find reasons to say it.
The gemora in Bava Metzia in Perek Hazahav describes the power of Tachnun where Rebbi Eilezer was the brother in law of Rabon Gamliel. The wife of Rebbi Eliezer did not allow him to fall on his face in order not to hurt her brother. One day she miscalculated and she told him get up you just killed my brother. Be careful if you have taanus against someone, one did something bad to you, not to hurt them through tachnun.
Tachnun is a reshus, not a complete chiyuv.
Sir Aya what gives chasidim the right to make these svarahs?
Maybe according to the holy Berditchever ztz’l who said that we can accomplish the same results with simcha as with sadness. When we are happy with a mitzva, we make above, Hashem happy which allows us to ask anything we require.
Because Mitzvah Gedola Lihyos Besimcha. The Litvish are never happy so they are oyver this mitzvah so they need to reprent by saying tachnun which makes them sad because theyre saying tachnun. Its a vicious cycle.
DISCLAIMER: This post is a joke that plays on popular stereotypes and is not meant literally.
Assuming Lowertuition meant Pinchos Breuer,
Besalel: Thanks for the disclaimer. Otherwise, some might have quickly jumped to the conclusion that you are one of those blatantly anti-misnaged litvish-haters who lurk here in the CR seeking to discredit anyone who doesn’t wear streimlach and bekeshes.
Why do litvacks not say ashamnu?
We don’t tell you what to do. We do our best to clean up your mess.
“Why do litvacks not say ashamnu?..
For the same reason they say UuuuuuMiiiiine!
I’m not telling anyone what to do, but why does a tefilla that takes no more than 3 minutes at mincha and 60% of weekday shacharis, and 7-10 minutes on Monday and Thursday mornings cause so much consternation? There is a palpable ripple of relief in the room when tachanun is unexpectedly skipped, like people driving up to a toll bridge and finding the tolls temporarily suspended. I’m speaking to myself as well, because I feel it too. But we’re asking Hashem to be completely at His mercy and not at the mercy of anyone else, which should cause us to feel relief.
I’ve always been led to understand that the reason for not saying tachanun on certain days is because the speciality of the day achieves what tachanun would normally achieve (same idea of why we don’t blow shofar when Rosh Hashana is on shabbos because shabbos achieves what shofar would have). So by chassidim there are lots of special days that are holy enough that tachanun isn’t needed.
Did chassidim say tachnun yesterday?
What about Yom haatzmaut?
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“Did chassidim say tachnun yesterday?”
We didn’t say tachanun yesterday, though after being mevarchim hachodesh we did still say Av harachamim before ashrei.
Please define who is, and what makes one, a “Litvak”?
There aren’t too many around.
Avram,
“We didn’t say tachanun yesterday, though after being mevarchim hachodesh we did still say Av harachamim before ashrei.“
Yesterday was Sunday
I think we have to relies that there are great people who follow both ways and we must respect all.
I am not commenting on this thread to be public rather I am asking to you in charge of website why my topic and replies are not posted
please don’t posting this thank youDid it occur to anyone that the answer to the question may be found only in Judaism’s esoteric wisdom?
The questions and answers back and forth are nice yet lack true substance and it seems no one here is of knowledge to the true depths our tradition goes.
please educate yourselves.please moderator i asked to you why i am not seeing my topic about arak and i only see my replies when i am logged in but if i am logged out i cant see what i wrote.
please to me explain kindly thank you
please i am confusing
thank you@Benjamen
Why do all mikvas use the same orange soap?Very simple, Orange is the new black, and being that bekishers are black with use organe soap in the Mikva.
For the same reason Sephardeshe yiddim add “v’yatzmach purkanei v’kareiv mishichei.” in the repetition of the Amidah.
Because they can, and because it is part of their mesorah.
its a big zechus to say tachnun
The practice of reciting Tachnun is rooted in Jewish law and tradition, and its sources can be traced to several texts and teachings.
Talmudic Origins: The concept of Tachnun relates to the general idea of repentance and humility. The Talmud discusses the importance of supplication and acknowledgment of sins. Specifically, in Berakhot 29b, the Talmud emphasizes the need for a person to express remorse and seek forgiveness, particularly during prayer.
Maimonides: In the Mishneh Torah, Rabbi Moses Maimonides (Rambam) addresses the significance of prayer and supplication in Hilchot Tefillah (Laws of Prayer). He emphasizes that prayers should be sincere and heartfelt, which aligns with the essence of Tachnun.
Shulchan Aruch: The Shulchan Aruch, a codification of Jewish law by Rabbi Joseph Karo, explicitly discusses Tachnun in Orach Chayim 131. It states that Tachnun should be recited on weekdays, except on certain occasions such as festivals, weddings, or when there is a joyous atmosphere.
Maharil and Customs: The Maharil (Rabbi Jacob Moelin) discusses various customs related to Tachnun in his writings. He notes that different communities have different customs regarding when and how to recite it. For instance, some communities have additional customs regarding its recitation on specific days, such as during the month of Elul or leading up to the High Holidays.
Significance: The essence of Tachnun embodies the themes of humility, repentance, and the acknowledgment of one’s shortcomings before God. It serves as a reminder of the need for spiritual growth and self-reflection.
Overall, the practice of reciting Tachnun is deeply embedded in Jewish law and serves to reinforce the values of humility and repentance within daily prayer.
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Here’s another demonstration of your overwhelming knowledge.
“For the same reason Sephardeshe yiddim add “v’yatzmach purkanei v’kareiv mishichei.” in the repetition of the Amidah.”
What? “Yiddim”? Sephardeshe? Ladies in middle of Chazaras Hashatz?
Nisht: Correct…only in the varbeshe section and only on days that chassidim don’t say tachnun except on the second day of rosh chodesh.
P.S. Yiddim are “greeners” who came over on the Mayflower
Nishtday: I think he’s just saying random nonsense to troll. See his earlier comment about Litvaks being the ones who say “umayn.” You’d have to live under a rock to make that mistake in earnest.
For the OP: it is sometimes perplexing. They’re even more insistent about post-shkiah being zman safek or even vadai no longer day, yet they’re the ones willing to say tachanun after shkiah. If anything one would expect it to be the reverse.
Example: many modern litvaks won’t even make shalosh seudos after shkiah (even though the Mishnah Berurah and everyone before the 20th century was matir), but they say tachanun even though everyone agrees it’s a reshus and safek reshus l’hakeil.
There are 9 Frum synagogues in my town, plus independent minyanim.
The shul I attend for Mincha/Maariv weekdays was the only shul saying Tachanun this week. It is Nusach Ashkenaz according to the Lita (Litvak) ritual.
It attracted a 25% bump in attendance from Sunday through today (Wednesday) of Ashkenazim who normally attend other shuls but wanted to daven in a minyan where Tachanun was being said.BTW>>>> during Chol HaMoed Sukkos I attended this shul for Schacharis so I would not feel totally out of place davening with Tephillin on.
My paternal side came to the US from the Lithuanian section of the Pale of Settlement in 1872, we still hold to those traditions and Nusach
“during Chol HaMoed Sukkos I attended this shul for Schacharis so I would not feel totally out of place davening with Tephillin on.”
Isn’t the minhag more associated with Lita to not do this? Wouldn’t this be more central European/German?
By the way, I’m not asking a kasheh on a maaseh. If you say you’re family came from Lita and did it this way, I believe you. Just wondering if you’ve commonly found other people with this experience.
“Lithuanian section of the Pale of Settlement”
What’s the Pale of Settlement?Because we don’t look for excuses to not say Tachanun.
@Neville
The Pale of Settlement was a great swath of the Russian Empire where Jews were permitted to live. It in clouded parts of present day Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and the Ukraine ( among others).
The market town of Suwslki was 50% Jewish, a provincial capital in both Poland and Lithuania and even under Prussian control at times.Borders were very fluid which was the reaso. For my description
Neville: The Pale of Settlement was a section in Russia where Jews were allowed to live. Outside that area, Jews were not allowed to establish a permanent residency (although there were some exceptions).
Regarding Tachanun: non-chassidim generally stick to following the Shulchan Aruch/Mishna Berurah when it comes to the days we say or don’t say Tachanun. Days generally aren’t added to the list, and not for a yartzeit. The Shulchan Aruch doesn’t list the 7th of Adar as a day to skip Tachanun, and that is the yartzeit of Moshe Rabbeinu, so why would it be skipped for anyone else?
As for not saying Tachanun this week, the Sharei Teshuva in 131:7 brings down that there is a minhag not to say Tachanun until after Rosh Chodesh, with 2 reasons given: first, because the month is filled with Moadim, so we don’t say it through the end of the month. Second, since the month began with “inuy”, it is fitting for it to go out with simcha.“Because we don’t look for excuses to not say Tachanun.”
So, the sephardi mesora is built on looking for excuses not to say tachanun?
I don’t think this post is about the times with Chassidim controversially don’t say tachanun, but rather when Litvaks controversially DO (eg. Pesach Sheni, after shkiah, etc.).
I get it, you want to bash on Chassidim for not saying tachanun enough, but if you live in a glass house, don’t throw stones. It’s a reshus, and saying it when you shouldn’t might be worse than the inverse.
Neville > I don’t think this post is about the times with Chassidim controversially don’t say tachanun, but rather when Litvaks controversially DO
How is the fact that someone in Baghdad did not say tachanun affected what happened in Vilna? Chassidim changed minhagim of their communities, not litvakim. The only controversy about litvakim is their extraordinary effect on Ashkenaz in general, given that this was a small country.
By the way, note that parsha Noach mentions Ashkenaz, but not Sepharad, Lubavich or Uman.
Pale was due to the following: Russia did not allow Jews to their country up to 18th century. Then, they conquered part of Poland and other countries with large Jewish population. So, Jews were allowed to live where they lived but not into “Russia proper”. There were exceptions for professionals, such as doctors, large merchants, rabbis. R Salanter when he had a need to travel into Russia, he learned some ink-related trade so that he could travel legally. His student, R Yetzele Peterburger
Neville, AFAIK, Sefardim say tachanun most of the time. It’s Chassidim who don’t. Davening nusach s’fard is very different than being a Sefardi.
As far as mesorah, Chassidim don’t have a real Mesorah, because it only dates back a few hundred years.
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