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What are you going to do when we get up to Rosh Hashana, you’ll Chazzer it with Tosafos and Rishonim?
Wait, I thought (assumed for no reason whatsoever) that PBA at least does Tosfos with Daf Yomi.
Do you have another Seder when you learn for real?
PBA: Doesn’t R’ Moshe say you can’t even make a Siyum for that?
PBA: In a T’shuvah about Ta’anis Bechorim, I think.
Ok, we’re going to have to talk about Rashi a lot so that popa has to learn it to keep up with us. Then he can make a siyum. Maybe even Tosafos, so he’ll have to make a real seder.
{ducks}
Mine is at my parents’ house.
So just go upstairs and get it.
I looked up the teshuvah.
As far as I can tell, it’s only a siyum on Chumash which requires that it was learned with Rashi.
DY: He doesn’t have a line in there that learning straight Gemara without any Peirush isn’t actually learning? I’ll try to find it when I have a chance, which might not be for a while.
Popa, the Yad Moshe has a blog (that I don’t read).
A Bochur once came to Reb Avraham Tropp (son of the Granatt) to be interviewed to join his Yeshiva. After saying a piece in the Gemara, Rav Tropp told the Bochur to say Rashi. The Bochur replied that he doesn’t do Rashi. In response, Rav Avraham chased him out of the Beis Medrash.
Who says popa’s a yeshiva bochur? I thought he said he left (I recall something about pounding spinach).
I’m very proud of you (and of myself, to be honest).
I think Torah shebichsav needs a pirush because without a pirush, it’s incomprehensible. With Torah sheba’al peh, if you understand pshat on a simple level, you do have something.
DY: I always thought the exact opposite. B”N I’ll go Mekoros-hunting if I have time tomorrow.
Daas, that reminds me of my Cheshbon during a lazy stint: You can’t learn Gemara without Rashi, so if I understood the Gemara I must have been Mechaven to Rashi.
i think they say torah shebiksav without havanah is torah but torah shebaal peh isnt. cud be r elchanan in maamarim
Sam and oyoyoy, yes, you get the mitzvah of Talmud Torah just by saying words of Torah shebichsav, mah she’ein kein TSB”P. I think that it does come out the opposite for a siyum, which, I see R’ Moshe holds, requires havana.
Without a legitimate pirush, there’s no legitimate havana in TSB”C. Try learning the parsha of tefillin or ayin tachas ayin without TSB”P. We need to learn it with a solid mesorah based pirush
In other words, Torah shebichsav needs Torah sheba’al peh. Gemara is already Torah sheba’al peh, and doesn’t inherently need a pirush.
That’s from the Baal Hatanya, IIRC.
i hear. gedaynk nisht.
I couldn’t find it. I distinctly remember it though. Oh well. I’ll see it again if I ever Chazer everything.
We need to understand the impact of a Kohen Gadol not being able to do the Avodah on Yom Kippur.
The similar situation nowadays (lehavdil, of course) is Peyton Manning coming down with a severe 24 hour “flu” this Sunday and his brother, Eli having to take over.
What’s a din shloshim?
I think popa was comparing marriage to aveilus.
Aw, shucks. I was gonna call you a big fat jerk for not reminding me. Now you ruined it.
Oh, and mazel tov.
Oh. I thought you did the first.
.Any eight hour speech sessions coming up?
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