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April 19, 2013 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #609093ShalomToYouMember
Can anyone explain why a Yeshiva can collect Tzedaka for itself? Aren’t all Yeshivos like a business, where they provide a service and charge (high) tuition?
And if anyone selling Jewish stuff is considered Tedaka, why can’t every seforim store collect Tzedaka for itself?
The only thing I can think of is that some kids can’t pay tuition. So the Tzedaka is for them. But if so that would be limited to the shortfall caused by those kids. To me it seems that the schools collect as much as they can, Chinese Auctions, raffles etc, without any Cheshbon
April 19, 2013 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #952730DaMosheParticipantShalomToYOu: Very often, the tuition charged is not enough to cover the costs of the yeshiva. They fund raise to keep the tuition from rising to levels that are really crazy.
April 19, 2013 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #952731AriellahParticipantyep!
April 19, 2013 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #952733☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI doubt there’s a single yeshivah which covers costs with tuition alone. Most have a shortfall even after fundraising.
April 19, 2013 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #952735zalmanParticipantit’s not tzedaka it’s hachzakas hatorah
April 19, 2013 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #952736playtimeMemberTzedaka means righteousness.
Also, you have no idea how underfunded Yeshivot are. Rabbis from all different Yeshivot sometime receive their salary months delayed. Roshei Yeshivot have to add fundraising to their already jam-packed schedules.
People should knock on the doors of Yeshivot and offer money, for what they are worth.
April 21, 2013 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #952737☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantTalmud, you might want to consider a donation to your local yeshiva in memory if your dearly departed cupcake.
April 21, 2013 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #952738The little I knowParticipantWhen we translate Tzedokoh as charity, it may be less than 100% accurate. There are many charitable causes. These include Tzedokoh la’aniyim, basically alms to the poor, and Hachzokas HaTorah. They are not the same, and one does not fulfill one responsibility with the other (although there can be overlap). For instance, the tzedokoh that is to be given prior to tefilo is clearly stated as ???? ????? ????, which is for the poor. Likewise, ????? ???????? on Purim is NOT fulfilled with even the most generous donations to yeshivos and chesed organizations.
The needs of yeshivos have never been greater, with multiple sources of funding (government programs and many of the large donors) being severely limited. The current situation for many is desperate. But this is not the same as the obligations for the poor.
April 21, 2013 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #952739playtimeMemberDaasYochid- I saw that thread. I think my account was hacked by an old lady. We’re working on it.
April 21, 2013 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #952740☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantProbably mod-73.
April 21, 2013 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #952741playtimeMemberMod 73 may not be discussed when not present. – 127
April 21, 2013 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #952742☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantNo idea.
April 21, 2013 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #952743writersoulParticipantI was always under the impression that giving money to yeshivos is either hachzakas haTorah or tzedakah if specifically for a scholarship fund.
However, my Halacha rebbi did say that you cannot fulfill your matanos le’evyonim obligation by giving to a yeshiva- I’d assume that’s unless you knew it was for a scholarship fund, but I have no basis for saying that.
April 21, 2013 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #952744☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWritersoul I don’t see how one can be yotzei matanos l’eyonim by donating to a scholarship fund.
April 21, 2013 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #952745popa_bar_abbaParticipantlol wut
April 21, 2013 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #952746writersoulParticipantWhy not? You’re providing tzedakah indirectly to poor people who can’t afford to send their kids to school. It’s the same as donating it directly and having the recipient use it to pay tuition.
April 21, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #952747☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantYes, because it’s indirect. You’re not giving them money. They can’t buy food with it.
April 21, 2013 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #952748YW Moderator-73Moderatorheh heh heh
April 21, 2013 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #952749YW Moderator-73Moderator*crazy evil old lady laugh*
April 21, 2013 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #952750☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant73, so I guess you can restore Talmud’s post.
April 21, 2013 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #952751YW Moderator-73Moderatorhe’s gonna have to repost it. can’t restore edited text.
April 21, 2013 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #952752☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWell anyhow, Talmud asked me if I thought you were an old lady.
April 21, 2013 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #952753YW Moderator-73Moderatorso what’s the word, sonny-boy?
April 21, 2013 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #952754playtimeMemberDY- Lets put it this way. Moderator-21 is 21 years old. 🙂
April 22, 2013 2:36 am at 2:36 am #952755☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAnd Moderator 007?
April 22, 2013 2:39 am at 2:39 am #952756YW Moderator-127ModeratorAnd me?
April 22, 2013 3:26 am at 3:26 am #952757playtimeMember27
DY- James Bond had been the same age for the past 50 years.
April 22, 2013 12:06 pm at 12:06 pm #952758☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantTalmud – so has my grandmother.
April 22, 2013 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #952759charlie brownMemberand it therefore seems elementary, my dear watson, that DY’s grandmother is James Bond, hiding in plain sight as mod-73.
May 12, 2013 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #952760Daniel RosenMemberWhy can’t a Jewish business owner collect tzedaka for his store? If someone owns a shoe store (such as me) I can go around collecting tzedaka in order to keep my store from going under and falling into poverty. In fact, it would be the highest form of tzedaka for someone to lend or give me.
No one is forcing you to participate in these Chinese Auctions, raffles and tzedaka.
May 13, 2013 3:54 am at 3:54 am #952761☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI can go around collecting tzedaka in order to keep my store from going under and falling into poverty.
If the business could be profitable, but you need an infusion of cash to keep it solvent until it can turn a profit, then why not?
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