Why Are Torah Observant Jews Overwhelmingly Republican/Conservative?

Are you serious or just trolling

I guess with a few exceptions, we apikorsim. find that there are fewer trolling, lying and misogynistic yidden among those residing in districts that vote for Dems.

Because over the last 50 years the Democrats have become increasingly anti-religious, while the Republicans are increasingly welcoming to peoples of all religions. If the Democrats regard people who “clink to religion” to be “deplorables” (taking the words of their most recent national candidates, in context), don’t be shocked that the Democrats have problem attracting non-secular voters. Fifty years ago this was not the case.

Joseph, it has been said that Republicans hate the poor and don’t want to help them, but Democrats love the poor so much, they want to keep them poor forever.

Its because as people get “more religous” they tend to be more black and white. we have trouble seeing the gray .
I’ll give you an example.

I concede that for Israel Trump is better than Hillary would have been. but I add that I don’t think Hillary would have been HORRIBLE it wouldn’t have meant the end of Israel, and there are other factors that matter too.

The response I usually get to he above is not disagreement with the actual sentiment expressed rather something along the lines of “Oh so you hate Israel” or “Oh so Israel is not important”
Its a lot easier to say “well Trump is better for ISrael therefore anyone who is not Trump is an evil antisemite who wants to kill all Jews”, than to take a more nuanced approach .

A secondary reason is we as a community suffer very much from groupthink

RebYidd23: We are deplorables. We cling to religion. Your comment reminds one of the famous line of a German who said at first they he didn’t object when they came for Jews since he wasn’t a Jew, and ends with him stating that when they came for him, there was no one left to object.

Our views on a wide variety of matters are totally incorrect by the left-wing (Democratic party, circa 2018) standard of political correctness. We reject that which “normal” people consider to be beyond question. Even if in economic matters we are closer to the Democrats (and we love entitlements, in fact, we invented them and the Democrats got the idea from us), the attack on halacha is a “game changer.” We could never tolerate a demand the synagogs not differentiate on the basis of gender, or that opposition to non-maritial sexual activites is equivalant to support racism (and thus a basis to close schools or deny tax exemption to institutions). We could never tolerate any restriction on bris milah. Our only hope for surviving in the United States, is that the Republicans so soundly crush the Democrats that the Democrats move away from their fanatical ultra-secular political correctness, and return to the “big tent” welcoming all minorities, including people like us, and including all religions, as was the case as little as a generation ago.

1. Democrat Party embraces Islam and is Anti Israel and is pro BDS movement.
2. Democrat Party is ANTI RELIGION and uses the LGBQT Agenda to persecute Religion.
In England the Leftists are using LGBQT as excuse to shut down yeshivas and beis yakovs.
And this is what Leftist Democrats want to do here.
3. Democrats are Pro Socialism which brings Tyranny, Persecution of Religion and Poverty.

Because on the surface it seems as if Republican and conservative values align more with Torah values than Democratic and liberal ones.

In reality, they are all apikorsim whose only values lie in tayva. Look at the Great and Might Trump, for example. Is this menuval really supposed to be the pinnacle of what a Jew should vote for just because he made some token gestures about Israel? Also I find it extremely ironic that those who benefit the most from liberal social programs like Medicare, FAFSA, Section 8, and WIC are the ones that vote overwhelmingly Republican.

Democrats are bad. Republicans are bad. As a klal we need to start looking more objectively at politics and decide to support those that are slightly less damaging in their policies.

Joseph

Yes agree 99.9%
Though a few quick points
– emphasis on “Overall”
– and I’m going with your definition of “Orthodox/Torah Jews” which is a bit narrower than mine – (yet another example of the black/white thinking you suffer from )
– “since Orthodox/Torah Jews missed the boat by not seeing that Democrats and liberals are better than Republicans and conservatives.” – I didnt quite say this last part. I have no problem with a person thinking Trump is better because xyz. Its the narrow thoughtless parroting that bothers me. As in the example I cited.
– Make no mistake many Democrat supporters suffer from the same narrow goupthink. and label anyone who votes for another party as automatically evil/misogynist/racist etc . but a. that wasn’t your question, b. I hang out more with the group you asked about so I am more familiar with that group

My point is similar to Yesrbiu’s above

GH:

I have no problem disagreeing with you. But your last comment was close to brainless.

Trump proved to be an Oheiv Yisroel by being the first to recognize that what the Islamists and Palis are doing is terror (not protest). he also stopped apologizing for American support for Israel, and he cut the stupid funding that empowered and and financed terror. The Embassy issue was symbolic.

Your perception of rabbonim instructing mindless people to vote Republican speaks very poorly for your intellect.

You also parrot the baloney that the MSM (y”sh) have fabricated and repeated often enough to have you sing their jingle. Actually, Pelosi disclosed that strategy a while ago, and the clip has circulated widely. That method makes people believe foolishness enough to vote with their feet, while brains are completely disengaged. There has not been a single thing to date that documents or supports any identification of Trump as racist, supremacist, misogynist, etc. That is a concoction of the left, and their politicians and media continue to sing it. It is sad that this cannot be prosecuted in court as defamatory.

Meanwhile, the present Democrats, almost unanimously, support every form of immorality, in violation of most standards that were part of the formation of USA. their version of democracy is frightfully poor at anything that varies much from socialism. It is true that many of the local elected officials that befriend the Jewish community in NY are officially Democrats. But at the federal level, we have never encountered a party in USA that is as opposite to our values and ways of life.

I wish you happiness and success, though at the complete exclusion of what would support your political obsessions. I also wish the Dems a complete mapoloh.

RebYidd23: You identify with white nationalists and rapists??? Most of us identify with people raising families (man, woman, and their children), trying to support themselves, trying to raise the families in their own cultgural and religious traditions. And these are the people that the Democrats consider to be deplorables clinging to outmoded religious ideas.

Akuperma, Hillary associates Trump supporters with white nationalists and rapists, hence “deplorable”.

If it is a question of taking away religious liberties I would be afraid of the Republicans who are too fanatic in their religious beliefs. Democrats say live and let live.

Today’s Democrat Party does NOT “live and let live”. That would be the Republican Party.
Today’s Democrat Party says if you don’t want to service homosexual weddings we will persecute you
and bankrupt you.
Today’s Democrat Party says if you are opposed to homosexuality and transgender you are a “Hater”
and “Homophobe”.
Today’s Democrat party says if you “misgender” someone (call a man…a man) you should GO TO JAIL!
This is an actual law proposed by Democrats.
Today’s Democrats use violence to silence all opposition and is ANTI FREE SPEECH and ANTI FREEDOM OF RELIGION. And ANTI ISRAEL. Don’t know how any frum Jew can vote Democrat for National Office.

Laskern,
For some reason, you don’t want to face the fact that elements in the Dem Party gazled and ganved and hijacked the party from what it once was, right under your nose.

It’s really very simple. For the unaffiliated Jew, their last remaining connection to Judaism is events like the Passover Seder. And they take very seriously what they read in the Haggadah, where it instructs them to Lean to the Left.

The Democrats and the Republicans are very, very bad, but the correct way to choose a party is to determine which one is worse, and join that one.

Laskern, ZionGate is right, You are referring to the Democrats of old. Today’s young democrats are quite different from the party that you know and prefer. They are tolerant of everyone except for those that don’t agree with them- and that includes the Religious Jews and Christians. Our fears that one day we will have to worry about legislation against Bris Mila and Shechita, or a mandatory school curriculum that conforms to liberal ideals, stems from the Democrats. And, by the way, they are increasingly becoming the party of the wealthy.

I don’t think you can see either party cares more about people than the other. Mostly, they want to get elected and their promises reflect that. Their approaches are different. Democrats believe in feel-good policies, and spending a lot of money to accomplish these policies. Republicans rather let the people keep more of their salaries and spend it as they need/wish. For example, raise the minimum wage- sounds great, why shouldn’t the poor earn more? But they ignore potential long term effects like small/mid-size businesses not being able to afford to pay more, having to close or fire workers. When Republicans fight this policy it is not because they don’t care about the poor person, but because they are looking at the long-term effect differently than the Democrats. Free college for all. Great idea. But Republicans understand that that will cost money, will have to raise taxes to cover it, and education standards will drop. Welfare, public housing and other policies that benefit the poor- again, sounds great. But the reality is that these policies do nothing to get people out of poverty. Policies that cut taxes and create jobs will do more for the poor. So it is not that the democrats are more caring than the Republicans, they just have a different view on economics than the Republicans.

All politics is local.
People affiliate with a party based on how it affects their daily life where they live, they don’t affiliate based on national platforms.
The national Republican Party is the antipathy of Family Values. It ran a thrice married serial adulterer for President in opposition to a woman who was the victim of a husband who committed adultery.
Thrice married adulterous white males are common in the Republican leadership, need I mention Mayor Juliani, now personal lawyer for Trump, or Speaker Gingrich?

The Democrats brought us Social Security, Medicare and the Affordable Care Act and booming economies under the Roosevelt, Clinton and Obama administrations.

The Republicans brought us the Great Depression of Herbert Hoover, the runaway inflation and 20% interest rates of George HW Bush, the banking crisis and economic collapse of 2008 of George W Bush and have made us the laughing stock of the world and sold out to the Russians, Saudis and Germans by Trump.

Not all frum Yidden are blind and deaf, we refuse to belong or support the party that brought us Trump, Ryan and McConnell.

I’ll not be answering individual posters in this thread, but could not let it go on the way Joseph, the troll, framed it. Enjoy your conversation.

WinnieThePoo, ZionGate, I appreciate your effort, but the tax cuts did not help much the middle class and the poor only put us more in debt.

CTL, you are so blind. You forgot about serial adulterers like JFK, LBJ and Clinton. Hillary was not a victim, but an enabler. She recently blamed Lewinsky. Roosevelt would not allow the Jews on the St Louis to enter the country , and refused to bomb the railroad to Auschwitz. Roosevelt didn’t solve the Depression, WW2 did. Obama’s booming economy? He claimed our economy could never grow more than 2%.
What about Obama’s long time attendance at the church of an antisemitic minister or his photograph embracing Farrakhan? Or his interference in Israel’s last election by supporting Netanyahu’s opponent? What about the Democratic sellout of black and Hispanic kids?
They are so beholden to the teachers union that they fight against charter schools that actually work and keep kids trapped in failing public schools. What about his Iran multimillion giveaway that he lied about? Were you able to keep your doctor and plan under Obamacare?

Extremes are no good in any group. The difference between a tzelem and the magen david is that the former has only extremes whereas the latter has only midpoints.