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Never understood. If one was to shecht a cow and there was a fetus inside would it also be pareve?
What if you shecht a cow and find an egg inside?
WHAT IF YOU CRACK AN EGG AND FIND A COW INSIDE?
What if you’re cracked and egg a cow?
What if the cow has a head of an egg?
An egg is not a chicken fetus. It is unfertilized and cannot develop into anything. It is the food source for the potential chicken that would grow there is the egg were fertilized. Any presence of blood in the egg (meaning it was fertilized, but can be from other reasons as well) is not allowed and that egg is thrown out, so no you can’t eat the undeveloped fetus of a cow.
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a ferd is a ferd, nisht val ehr alein aiz a ferd, nor veil zein mameh iz a ferd.
Some eggs are fleshig. Most eggs are considered a separate entity from the chicken once they’ve hatched. YD 87:5 says that if fully formed eggs are found inside a chicken these may be consumed with milk products, however, if the eggs are not fully formed (i.e. fleshig, or unborn eggs), they may not be consumed together with milk although one would be able to eat dairy products after eating one of them.
Your post reminds me of the following:
On Rosh Hashana when we eat the head of the fish and we say shenye lerosh velo lezonov, there’s a minhag in our family to add “a shvons bleibt a shvons”.
Nechomah: Not quite. That’s a (relatively) modern Chumra. In theory, you can have blood spots that are still Kosher.
Who would eat that? Yuck…
Unborn eggs (Ayerlach) were very popular in the alte heim. I’ve seen them eaten at different shabbos meals in chicken soup.
Chickens aren’t really fleishig anyway, they’re just a chumra on basar v’chalav.
An egg found inside a shechted cow is only there if the cow ATE it. In a shechted chicken, however, it IS fleishig.
What you are describing about a cow that is shechted with an unborn baby inside is called a Ben Pakua.
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It appears that there is a machlokes if it is parve or not but it definitely doesn’t need shechita.
SecularFrummy, it’s my understanding that the vast majority of commercial eggs come from farms where there’s no rooster in sight. Perforce (as Artscroll would say), the eggs aren’t fertilized.
Oomis, a cow’s egg is fleishig, but it’s too small to bother eating it.
Torah, it’s a Derabanan, not a Chumra.
Reb Doniel, oh that’s so easy. Easy as Be’asa Bekutcha.
Sam, I know that there are blood spots that are kosher, but how can one tell them apart? I was told by someone that if the eggs have a stamp from Tnuva here in EY, then there are no male chickens present and the blood spot is from something like the hen getting frightened during the egg production and you could just discard the blood and keep the rest of the yolk and white. I’m really not certain though, so I would probably rather err on the side of caution and just throw it out, but it would be a question of baal tashchis.
A very simple reason why eggs would be considered Pareve is based on the fact that chicken is only Besari m’derabanan, since people in the time of the Gemara were getting it mixed up with meat from animals. M’deoraisa, chicken is Pareve, since “lo sivashel g’di bachalev imo” can only apply to mammals – which produce milk – and not to birds. As such, when the Rabanan were Gozer on chicken, there was no g’zeira on the eggs, so they retained their Pareve status.
an Israeli Yid
why do we all eat eggs without being disturbed
What a ridiculous question. Why do people eat meat and fish without being disturbed? It’s exactly the same thing. People just don’t like to think about where their food comes from. But seriously, if the thought of shechita is repulsive to you, why would you eat meat?
“M’deoraisa, chicken is Pareve”
Many yidin today were not m’kabel this g’zeira d’rabanon which not only means to them that chicken is pareve but also that chicken does not require sh’chitah.
Many yidin today were not m’kabel this g’zeira d’rabanon which not only means to them that chicken is pareve but also that chicken does not require sh’chitah.
What is the source that shechita doesn’t apply m’doraisah to birds?
“M’deoraisa, chicken is Pareve”
Many yidin today were not m’kabel this g’zeira d’rabanon which not only means to them that chicken is pareve but also that chicken does not require sh’chitah.
either this is sarcastic. i hope. or youre a buck am haaretz.
Toi and PBA: I’m assuming he’s sarcastic and was referring to those who don’t keep Kosher. And PBA, there’s a Gemara towards the beginning of Chullin (maybe even Eilu Treifos) about if fowl requires Shechitah Min HaTorah and how much. I’m pretty sure we hold it’s Siman Echad Min HaTorah.
Sam2 – You hit the nail on the head. This would apply to most Yiden today.
Also, the Monsey chicken guy was somewhat of a lamdin; he must have also held like the shita that kosher birds do not require sh’chitah.
easy raya is the fact that the gemara says that kohanim eat neveila when eating a chatas ha’of.
Also, the Monsey chicken guy was somewhat of a lamdin; he must have also held like the shita that kosher birds do not require sh’chitah.
I had a much better limud zchus for him.
The patrons weren’t ???? anything because they reasonably relied on him and the hashgacha.
He didn’t do lifnei iver because they didn’t do anything wrong.
Popa: Wasn’t that the Shittah of the Kusim?
My husband would like to add that m’d’oraisa, humans are pareve too (Kesubos 60a).
Sam: I don’t know about that. Tell us.
Did I ever tell y’all my eggs mishmar shaila? I think I did, but can’t find it.
Ok, I can’t find my mishma shaila, so I’ll make a new thread for it.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/popas-eggs-mishmar-shaila
jewishfeminist02 –
You may wish to remind your husband that for all intents and purposes human flesh is not kosher, per Shulchan Aruch 79:1 in the haga at the end.* While there may be a rishon who disagrees as is noted there, according to the Rambam there is an issur d’oraisa, and it is derived from a mitzvas asei.
Human blood is a different story. That is technically permitted if not for an issue of mar’is ayin. I blogged about that once.
*http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&st=&pgnum=352
Can we please remove all traces of blood not being Treif from the internet? Including your blog Yitay? That’s just something stupid to publish. It really, really is.
PBA: The Gemara says you can’t trust a Kusi’s Kashrus because they don’t hold of Lifnei Iveir (it’s somewhere on an Amud Aleph in Chullin in the first 20 Blatt; maybe it’s 4a or so?).
The question is obvious, though. But they still hold you can’t eat Treif. So why don’t they hold that they can’t trust each other? I think Pashut P’shat is that they held that you don’t have to be Choshesh that someone is lying, even if they don’t hold of Lifnei Iveir. Therefore, when they tell you food is Kosher, you can believe them. The buyer didn’t do anything wrong because he was allowed to believe the seller. The seller didn’t do anything wrong because Lifnei Iveir doesn’t exist according to him.
Sam, if you are worried about blood libels, trying to fight lies by covering up truths will never work in this information age.
The blood libels were false because they represented a superstitious and bigoted way to interpret situations such a child gone missing, that completely ignored due process, relied on unreliable evidence, and supported collective cruel and unusual punishment.
Overstating the argument by saying “and blood happens to be chazer treif” is not productive in this age where everyone can (and generally will, eventually) find everything out. On the contrary, an overstated argument is a lost argument. Besides, even if it were true, it is hardly the main motivation one might have to refrain from killing little children.
Did someone say blood? http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-im-never-giving-blood-again-by-popa
Sam: Nice pshat there, I like it.
Yitay: Agreed.
My husband would like to add that m’d’oraisa, humans are pareve too (Kesubos 60a). “
And that is why if a woman is a nursing mother and cooking fleishigs and (theoretically) some of her milk might somehow get into the fleishigs, there is not even a shailah of chalav in basar. Her milk is pareve.
No, the point is that this is the internet and it’s full of morons and anti-Semites who don’t like to dig but if something falls into their lap will milk it for all it’s worth. The people smart and interested enough to do the research are going to be fair and even-handed. The people who start libels aren’t.
the point is that this is the internet and it’s full of morons and anti-Semites
All the more reason to not overstate arguments and to be very, very clear about what you truly believe. And think about it – if no one would have made up the shtus that human blood is chazer treif back in the day when they were trying to refute the blood libels, and instead they would have stuck to the simple and true argument of “we don’t go around killing innocent children and you have zero evidence that we do” – we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place, because there would be no risk in telling the truth. As they say, sheker ein lo raglayim. In this day and age, “keeping quiet” is the same thing. There’s no point, it doesn’t last.
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