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I happen to be an independent so i am giving my opinion from the outside
I find it very sad how America has let the two party system actually ruin our country whether you have very strong people in media hoping Obama fails as president or whether the left hoped bush would loose the iraq war etc. my point is politicians and citizens have pledge allegiance to whats best for the party instead of whats best for their country.
The only way to keep this country afloat is if the citizens act together
The two party system has been around a long time, check it out.
Um, Independent is also a party.
Did you mean youre an Independent thinker?
That’s not what we have to worry about.
Throughout history, there were many great civilizations that collapsed. One thing they had in common was acceptance of gay marriage. By the dor hamabul, it says the final straw was marriage contracts between the same gender. In Rome, in Greece – they also became accepting of it.
In America, it is still under dispute. Gays are fighting for it, and many people back them up, in teh name of “human rights”. I fear that if it becomes fully legal, the US will collapse shortly. Let us hope that Hashem takes into account the fact that many are fighting against it, and that every vote that was put to the full population has so far come against gay marriage – even if the courts sometimes overturn it, as is the case now in California. May Hashem take it into account, and not punish this medinah shel chessed, which has enabled Jews to practice our religion without fear.
The Roman Empire fell well after it outlawed gay marriage. Many many civilizations (Mayan, Incan, Russian, Mongolian and Vikings to start with, although obviously, how you define “collapse” matters here) did not have gay marriage and collapsed anyway.
A partial list of collapsed empires that didn’t condone gay marriage: Egypt, every single chines imperial dynasty, the Tokugawa shogunate, Spain, England, France, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany.
Feif Un – Very interesting statement of yours, since apparently you are more on the modern side then the Yeshiviish. I appreciate your statements about politics in general. Seems you are an independent thinker. Nice to see your flexibility!
“A partial list “
You can add Assyria, Babylon, Persia, the Byzantine Empire, multiple Arab Empires (Umayyad, Abbassid, Fatimid), the Ottoman Empire, the Aztec Empire….
The Persians had institutionalized child-sodomy.
fabie: thanks, I think. I don’t see why you’d think modern people would be in favor of gay marriage.
gbale3, I agree. This is why.
ItcheSrulik,
I think you may be confusing Persia with ancient Greece.
mosheemes2,
The Wikipedia article says that the Roman Empire made homosexuality a death penalty offence in 390 CE. At that time, the Roman Empire was still at almost its maximum size.
As of 476 CE there was no Roman Empire in the West.
Yes, ItcheSrulik was confusing Persia with Greece
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