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  • #590044
    SJSinNYC
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    I was just thinking about this the other day. My father died when I was six. Normally, he would have been allowed to sell me into slavery until I turned 12. So from 6-12, who had that power? Did anyone have that power?

    #650567
    SJSinNYC
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    Feivel, I have no brothers.

    And yes, I realize Jewish slavery was nothing like other slavery. I’m just curious. Was I a free agent at 6?

    #650568
    cherrybim
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    “you understand of course that the “slavery” of a young Jewish girl is NOTHING like what we usually think of as slavery.”

    NOTHING, except that your master or his son can marry you.

    #650569
    feivel
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    MY LAST POST MAY WELL HAVE BEEN INCORRECT

    i was thinking of Kiddushin not slavery

    #650570
    gavra_at_work
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    I’m almost sure no one can sell a daughter except the father (Ein Adam Morish Zechus’e B’ito Le’bno), but the Mother & Brothers have the right to marry a girl under 12 off. She has the right at the age 12 to “undo” the marriage.

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    #650571
    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Intersting.

    Hmm… how does Jewish custody work? Is it done through Beis Din or just whoever decides to look after a child if both parents are out of commission?

    #650572
    rabbiofberlin
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    For your information, “mide-oraisa’ (biblically speaking) only the father can give his daughter away in marriage (and sell her – but that is aslo a way to marriage-see mishpotim).The chachomim allowed a mother and brothers to marry her of but she has the right- at maturity- to reject these kiddushim. it is called “mi-un”. gavra-at-work is fulyl correct in his posting.

    #650573
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    Halacha or practically?

    #650574
    postsemgirl
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    My father always used to tell me for a joke that I better behave or he could sell me.

    #650575

    SJSinNYC-

    3) Ama Ivriah is not practiced today.

    #650576
    SJSinNYC
    Member

    GAW, halachically. Nowadays, I don’t know anyone who does custody through a beis din.

    #650577
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    There is no “custody”, the children fend for themselves. BD or the father can appoint someone over the estate (as ICOT points out), but the children are “free” to collect (as per the Mishna in BB 139b) if they have no Yerusha.

    #650578
    bein_hasdorim
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    SJSinNYC: I feel for you having to grow up without a father.

    May HB”H our father, take care of all of us, especially the yesoimim,

    showing them extra love & joy, & may they be united with their loved ones

    speedily with the Geulah Shleima!

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