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  • #2138833
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    Every couple or few years or so the right and left seesaw. let each side write down its policies and make a biyearly rotation for each.

    #2139965
    akuperma
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    So if one side decides that putting you in a concentration camp is a good idea, they should get the chance every other year????

    If you don’t like democracy, try moving to a country without free elections, preferably one with a dictator who doesn’t like you. While some democracies make serious mistakes (e.g Japan’s democratically elected government was very dumb to enter World War II, the local governments in many American cities were dumb to give a “green light” to criminals, the Confederacy’s decision to go to war to protect slavery though in all fairness had they had free elections that wouldn’t have happened, etc.), there is really no alternative unless HaShem decides to take direct control of the political system by smiting idiotic politicians.

    #2139988
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says by Achashverus in Meseches Megilla that they switched rulers periodically, Poras and Modai, Persia and Media, and now was not his turn but he paid them off.

    #2140001
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Participant,

    Where’s the democracy in that?

    Additionally how will any “progress” get done if it’s done biyearly

    #2140447

    Romans had almost all officials elected annually. The idea was not to give them too much time to develop corruption and lust for power. Campaign would be less than a month. This worked for 500 years until Augustus, longer than US so far.

    #2140823
    Lostspark
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    If democracy changed anything, the government would make it illegal.

    #2140864
    Amil Zola
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    Lostspark, when Emma Goldman spoke those bon mots she used voting as the example. “If voting changed anything…”

    #2141519
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    Wow akuperma I’ve never heard anyone so passionate about anything before. but read what I wrote before responding. I wasn’t god forbid blaspheming democracy, just suggesting a more economic method.

    #2141546
    AviraDeArah
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    In some ways, living under an autocracy has a maalah; in a democracy, we yidden need to be looked upon favorably by a majority of the electorate. Nazi Germany was a democracy too, we must remember; the people just turned on us and voted Hitler in.

    In an autocracy, we need only gain the favor of one person, or a small group.

    #2141560
    Reb Eliezer
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    There is a book Hitler’s (ym’s) American Friends.

    #2141562

    Nazi Germany was not a democracy. Weimar Republic was a democracy, with a weak political system that allowed plurality (not majority) Nazis to take over the government. In 1932, Nazi got 37% (19% jump over 1928), Commies 14% (so you can say totalitarians got more than 50%). Most of this 19% increase came at the expense of very small parties, who each lost 1-3%. Social Democrats lost only 3%.

    That is why it is important to watch out for “experiments” in the American system that will not lead to similar problems.

    #2141684
    Reb Eliezer
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    Read also Fascist by Madeline Albright.

    #2141932

    To see what Germans were actually thinking at that time, read
    The German War: A Nation Under Arms, 1939-1945 Paperback – Illustrated, May 9, 2017
    by Nicholas Stargardt

    It goes thru time, quoting multiple german letters and diaries at that time.

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