Who gains by flooding the US with millions of Illegals??

WB BaalHabooze!

who gains? you, by mouthing off. makes you feel important, eh?

Coffee addict: There is no “flood” of Chinese illegal aliens. Chinese is fairly prosperous (so immigrant wannabees tend to have money and advanced degrees and can at least read English since it is required in schools), and it is very hard to walk or swim to the USA from China (cf: Pacific Ocean). The “flood” coming over the southern land border are largely indigenous “huddled masses” from very poor Latin American countries (while some are educated political refugees, most are working class “deplorables” that tend to be upwardly mobile but with job skills that are either unskilled or at best semi-skilled).

@CoffeeAddict
Time for a Constitutional Law lesson from this adjunct Law School Professor.

The case you cite is about a municipal government.

NOWHERE in the US Constitution are municipalities mentioned. The only DIVISIONS of Government are Federal and State. All rights not reserved to the Federal Government (Foreign relations, defense, issuing money, etc) are reserved to the States.

Municipalities are created by STATES and subject to the laws, regulations and State Constitutions. Municipalities can be abolished or have their borders redrawn by the State. My town lost 49 acres to an adjoining municipality 12 years ago to build a new high school.

State Constitutions and laws determine who may vote, the US Constitution only sets the minimum age (18).
In a state there are requirements set: Felons may lose their right to vote.

Local elections are tricky. I have to be a citizen legally registered to vote to vote in local elections to elect people to positions, but some towns that have budget referenda each year create voting folls for those elections open to all Taxpayers of the town.

In 2020 San Francisco dropped its Citizenship requirement for appointment to all Boards, Commissions and Advisory committees. None of these are legislative organizations and can’t institute/raise taxes.

My town’s charter restricts membership in these groups to electors (registered voters), but commissions, Boards and Advisory Committees of Constituent Agencies do not carry these rules. Thus The Student Athletics Advisory Committee of the Board of Education may have students appointed who are less than 18 years of age and not qualified electors.

You read a sensationalist headline about San Francisco, but nothing they did contravenes the US Constitution or gives a non-citizen a vote in an election for office

The Heimishe Olam does, by having a fresh supply of day laborers and cleaning ladies

@CoffeeAddict

Your response is confused.
#1 a city is a municipality, as are towns, villages and in Connecticut three Boros.
#2 Cities cannot vote, people vote
#3 Municipalities can determine subject to individual State laws and Constitution who may vote and requirements to serve on Municipal Commissions, Boards and Committees.
a. I cited municipalities in CT as examples. Only registered voters may vote to elect people to municipal government. Many towns have a requirement that the Town budget be approved by a referendum, not the only the Town Council. Some towns open these budet votes to all taxpayers, not just registered voters of the town. For example: I own an industrial building in the town next to where I live and am registered to vote. I pay more than 100K in yearly property tax. I have a vested interest in that town’s budget. I am permitted as a taxpayer to vote in the Tax Referendum and have done so for 20 years.
b. One must be a registered voter to be elected Mayor, First Selectman, Council Member, Board of Finance, Board of Education and many other municipal boards, committees and commissions. My town requires anyone appointed to a Town Committee, Board or Commission (I chair the Economic Development Commission) must be a registered voter and appointment approved by the Town Council. Our Charter sets limits on how many members from each party may serve on a commission to keep things balanced.
c. Constituent Agencies such as the Board of Education can establish committees and set parameters for membership as long as in compliance with State law. I explained that the Schools Athletic Committee includes high school students too young to vote.
d. Library Boards in Connecticut are actually State Chartered, not municipal (keeps local politicians from raiding library trust funds) and members need only be residents, not voters nor citizens.

San Francisco dropped (In compliance with California law) a citizenship requirement for service on NON-legislative committees, authorities and Boards. These groups cannot make laws, levy taxes, etc.

I would not be opposed to a non-citizen serving on my municipal Parks commission if he/she had a passion and some valuable contribution to make, The commission is an advisory group to the Parks and Recreation Department. It doesn’t determine budget or spending, hire or fire employees, stc.

Hope this makes it clearer.
The commission the non Citizen was appointed to in San Francisco does NOT make election law or determine who may vote. It helps select polling places, distributes voter education materials, helps spread the word that poll workers are needed, but does not hire or train them.

@Snitzel, dont forget they rent by bed and the kids need ESL

Lostspark,

I have no connection to San Francisco or what is going on there since I live on the East Coast and have never even visited California. There are many parts of the US that are far removed from paradise. Many of these places are in Red States. Many Red states are dead last on the list of healthcare, education , crime, employment opportunities etc…

The Republican party never wants to be part of the solution to the issue of illegal immigration. (In fact they do not want to ever offer solutions. They love complaining. That is why they keep losing and will lose again in November.) ( Test: name one issue that Republicans offered a solution to resolve.)
There are currently approximately over 11 million illegal immigrants who have been here for decades. They did not come across the border during the Biden administration. They were here when Trump was in office.
In fact , the puppet in chief, Mike Johnson, who thinks he is a religious person , just prevented a Senate bill on immigration that was bipartisan (meaning both Republican and Democrat Senators approved of it) from even coming to a vote in the House.

As people have mentioned above, immigrants come here for opportunities and are willing to work hard and a menial jobs in order to get ahead. They are sacrificing for their children’s sake who will grow up as educated Americans and have the same job opportunities as every other American has.

It is a Trump racist lie and canard that illegal immigrants are the cause of crime in the US.

To the OP, BaalHabooze: Look over here:

“https://www.nationalreview .com/2013/05/illegal-immigration-who-benefits-victor-davis-hanson/”

The immediate backlash against the current immigration wave will only help get Trump elected.

So….Business tycoons desperate for cheap labor?

I was not able to open the link to the Victor Davis Hanson article.

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Since it was brought up before about “constitutionality” of allowing illegal “immigrants” to vote in municipal elections, I searched and found this…
https://ballotpedia. org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States

Basically, in municipal elections, State Constitutions, for the most part, have not prohibited, but some states are permitting it, and some have prohibited it.

My personal opinion on this is about “who benefits” is, that while, in time, a lot of the people who seek residence in the US may turn out to be good citizens, and, probably, like them, will tend to vote for the party that was more permissive regarding their entry, that is not the real agenda here.
The agenda is a changing of the world order and a tendency on the part of the permissive parties to try to enforce, without any legal right, their agenda of open borders on the greater public.
It’s like they have their primary belief in John’s Lennon’s song “Imagine.”
Really, in the long run, these people think they are benefitting, because they think that is the way it should be, but my belief, and a lot of others think that some type of organized type of immigration, by rules established, is the safest and most economically viable.

“I honestly hope republicans keep on losing as well, I want the left to realize their dreams to the fullest extent possible so folks like you can finally see the truth.”

Lostspark,

By then it probably will be too late

CTL, I’m curious what your legal opinion is regarding DACA.
In my opinion, it was blatantly unconstitutional. Obama passed it via Executive Order, even though it violates current US law. The president is charged to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed”, and DACA goes against that.

So I ask, as a lawyer, what is your opinion on DACA?

On the merits, it could be possible to have a Missouri compromise: exchange stopping illegal immigration for a large quote of legal immigration. This will stop the flood and calm everyone down. After that, have a political discourse of how much legal immigration and of what kind (workers v relatives, etc) the country wants.

There’s a judge in Texas that has a side business that earns him some extra money. He hires illegals in America to sell sombreros at the border to new arrivals.

I’ll paraphrase the Victor Davis Hanson article:
1) Mexico and Central America
Mexico would have to resign itself to far fewer remittances ($35 billion per year to Mexico, another $30 billion to other Central American countries), potentially greater social unrest (Their social services are not equitable, fair or generous versus the U.S. where the illegal immigrants get subsidized housing, medical care, food, education, etc – paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Ending illegal immigration could cause a revolution in Mexico. ), landmark social reform at home (Mexico has no constitution and discriminates against indigenous people) , and less traction with the American government.
2) Business
Expect employers to resent bitterly true immigration reform that would halt the influx of cheap labor. In every “grand bargain,” there will be a Republican shilling for big business. Meat packing plants, Agriculture, Hospitality, landscaping all want cheap labor.
3) The elite
In the elite mind, there is no contradiction between hiring Roberto to build a redwood fence in the backyard, and ensuring that one’s own kids go to private schools to avoid joining Roberto’s kids in the neighborhood school .
4) La Raza.
Does any other identity group adopt the nomenclature “The Race”?
With the end of illegal immigration, in a generation or two the very word La Raza or Chicano would disappear from the American parlance, buried under the juggernaut of assimilation, intermarriage, and integration. The presence of 11 million illegal aliens — largely from the poorer provinces of Mexico, the majority non-English-speaking and without high-school educations — warps all civic statistics about the upward mobility of Latinos. Only the influx of millions of illegal aliens replenishes the unassimilated ethnic pool and thereby ensures through the ensuing disparities that the Latino caucus, the Chicano Studies Department, and the accented name of the evening newsreader do not go the way of Italian-, Armenian-, or Greek-American assimilation.
5) The Democratic party. California, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico have flipped from red to blue. 550 cities in the U.S. are immune from federal immigration law (aka sanctuary cities). The Democrats have resurrected the Confederate idea of nullification whereby a local jurisdiction can nullify a federal law.
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My opinion is that
To stop the illegal immigration over the long term, it would be necessary to change election laws at the federal level and disallow any questionable ballots. The federal government would also need to grant itself the ability to investigate and enforce those laws. It would cost billions to standardize election ballots and make them auditable, but illegal immigration is costing tens of billions. The opportunity to do this existed in 2017-8 when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, but they failed to tighten election laws at that time. Studies have shown that stricter ID laws disproportionately disenfranchise minority voters. Some believe that this disproportionate burden is indicative of racist sentiments, and absentee voting can facilitate more equitable civic engagement. I believe that as long as the law is applied equally to everyone, it is not racist. “More equitable civic engagement” is just an excuse to enable fraud on the part of minority voters and to allow the Democratic party to turn states from red to blue. Donald Trump has charged that absentee voting is rife with fraud, but when he could have changed it in 2017-18, he did nothing. COVID-19 caused a huge increase in mail-in ballots in the 2020 elections. The RNC has brought lawsuits in Mississippi and North Dakota about absentee ballots, so we’ll see where that goes.