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April 27, 2025 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #2392419The FrumguyParticipant
Does anyone out there know how the word (and Gemara Masechta) “מכות” became “מלכות” with a ‘ל?
April 27, 2025 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #2392507wackywayParticipantHow did Yakov become Yankev
April 27, 2025 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #2392534☕️coffee addictParticipantמכות means to hit
מלקות is whipping
They’re two different words
April 27, 2025 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #2392538☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIt’s not מלכות, it’s מלקות.
I’m not just correcting a spelling mistake, I’m pointing out that it’s a different word.
April 27, 2025 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #2392542smerelParticipant>>>How did Yakov become Yankev
That one is easy. In many countries the letter AYIN was pronounced as an ANG sound . The word Shemah would be pronounced Shmang but with very little emphasis on the G. Therefore the name Yaakov would always have been pronounced as Yankov by them. (Actually Yankgev but with so little emphasis on hte g that it sounded like Yankev)
Even today in Amsterdam children are still taught that an AIYN in ang, Briskers repeat the words in Shema with an AIYN to also make that sound in case it is correct and some of the old time Yekke shuls still insist that whoever davens for the amud pronounces “Elokei Yangkov”.
April 28, 2025 9:58 am at 9:58 am #2392567SQUARE_ROOTParticipantThe word RA (resh ayin) has no letter Shin.
So where did the letter Shin in the word RASHA come from?
Where did the 4-pronged letter Shin in the tefillin shel rosh come from?
April 28, 2025 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #2392746ubiquitinParticipant“Does anyone out there know how the word (and Gemara Masechta) “מכות” became “מלקות.” with a ‘ל?”
I would ask the reverse. The Mesechta discusses מלקות, (at least the third perek does and I guess the first sugya in discussing eideim zomim who get מלקות does) . why is it called מכות?
April 28, 2025 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #2392756yeshivaguy45ParticipantThe masechta is known as Maseches Makos, not Maseches Malkus. DaasYochid is correct, it’s 2 seperate words.
The Lashon of the pasuk is Ish Ki YAKEH es Chavero,” so that’s where the Masechta of Makos got its name. The name of the punishment is Malkus.April 29, 2025 10:27 am at 10:27 am #2393007yeshivaguy45ParticipantCorrection. The Lashon of the Pasuk referring to Malkus is “Arbaim Yakenu.”
April 29, 2025 10:27 am at 10:27 am #2393064The little I knowParticipantI suggest that the inference of מכות is a plague that is indiscriminate. On the other hand, מלקות is a consequence delivered to someone who earned it, and is the only one directly affected. As noted in an earlier comment, the name for the מסכת is derived from the posuk of איש כי יכה את רעהו in which the victim is specified. That’s my thought.
April 29, 2025 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #2393183HaLeiViParticipantIt seems that לוקה is Aramaic while מכה is Lashon Kodesh. The former was adopted by the later כתובים into the language, just like יקר, and became part of לשון חכמים. The Mishna always uses מלקין, לוקה.
April 29, 2025 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #2393336Yehoishua@YeshivaKetanaParticipant“Where did the 4-pronged letter Shin in the tefillin shel rosh come from?”
The answer to that is a Dvar Torah which I heard, which I will try to summarise:
We learn in Masechtes Chagiga that before the Churban there were either 600 or 700 sedorim of Mishnayos(Machloikes).
We also knoew that in Shomayim/Oilom Haboh we are said to have two crowns. One to represent Tefillin(Shel Rosh) and the other to represent Mishnayos.
The Shin’s on the Teffilin shel Rosh represent this.
The Gematria of two shins (each with 3 lines(total of 6)) is 600 , keneged the 600 sedorim of mishnayos we had.(The extra line in the second makes 7 lines representing the other shitah of 700 sedorim).
However, now that sadly we don’t have the Beis Hamikdosh any more, we went from 600 or 700 down to 6 sedorim. Two Shin’s put next to each other is the word “שש” which gets translated to 6.Please remember this is a short summary of a 15-20 minute shuir on this topic.
IY”H Moshiach should come now and we will be able to see the Beis Hamkidosh with our own eyes. -
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