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Then we’re cousins!
OMG!! IM PSYCHED!!!
att Cr members:
ME AND AM YISRAEL CHAI ARE COUSINS!! O yea!! ROKIN!! lol
The school that was mentioned before having a bomb scare was Prospect Park.
Huh?? when was it mentioned?
Second youngest. Being that (supposedly) bunches of people (both lurkers and posters) know me from before already, it isn’t like I am hiding anything from anyone. Besides I am a big boy and can take care of myself already.
Gumball your personal profile is getting bigger, we have now added a cousin to your profile. . .
What profile??
sometimes i come in the front door, sometimes i come in the back door, sometimes through a window, always after my older brother and always before my younger brother.
truth is, i’ve been asked that question alot and i really dont know where i come from…
am yisrael chai:
42
“And considering that you are one of the creeps we are referring to you should know very well what we are talking about…”
Stooping to call posters derogatory names is not acceptable and falls under the category of onaas dvorim, a very serious misdeed.
If AYC is indeed not Joseph than I am sorry for calling you a creep. As I had called you Joseph earlier in the post, it should be obvious that it was Joseph who I was calling the creep and by extension you. If you are not him, then I was mistaken and ask your mechila.
If you are Joseph, then I stand by my word that you were once upon a time, a creep. I hope that you have done teshuva and changed your ways since then but as I have seen no evidence of this, I feel this should be publicly known so that anyone who crosses paths with you is forewarned about who they are dealing with.
This is the type of thread that helps creeps like Joseph since he can glean personal information from it and I therefore assumed that AYC was Joseph trying his hardest to keep it going, trying to make sure that people are not careful, and that they reveal as much as possible.
Moderator 42,
Yummy Cupcake started this thread! Why dont you make the same of his/her intentions?
42, look at posting history.
AYC is a sensitive poster, always pleasant and positive.
Aishes Chayil, I am pretty sure that yummy cupcake is a teenage girl who finds this to be innocent fun. I could be wrong of course…
chocandpatience, Joseph can be sensitive, pleasant and positive at times. It could be that AYC is just someone who finds this to be innocent fun like yummy cupcake. But I didn’t like the way he was arguing against the possibility of creepy people gathering info, I therefore concluded that he was either naive or had an agenda and, considering that some mods had previously accused him of being Joseph, I went with the latter. Like I said, if I was wrong then I sincerely apologize to him. But the point is that people need to be careful what they post here.
Just to give a real example, it is fairly obvious to those paying attention that yummy cupcake has family members on this forum. From the content of their posts, we might be able to figure out what family they are but we still don’t know which daughter is which. From this thread, we now know that yummy cupcake is the oldest and that there is a 3rd sibling…
midwestern pieced together a bunch of info in the shofar thread, we deleted his post, but it did show that from random stuff said in different threads a larger picture can be painted.
42
You were choshed b’ksherim, transgressed onaas dvorim, listened to rechilus by your own admission, tried to rally people to be in fear of me, attempted character assassination with defamation of character, questionable cyber bullying, and made an accusation based upon an “assumption” based upon this ONE opinion without collecting facts or supporting evidence “I therefore assumed that AYC was Joseph”.
And you’re not worried about THIS cyber behavior???
42
-“But I didn’t like the way he was arguing against the possibility of creepy people gathering info.”
You could have argued your position without attacking the poster. And to slam a poster because you don’t care for their opinion??
-You claim to be well-informed about Yummy’s family from other threads, yet you haven’t gotten a general composite of my style in the threads?
-Chocandpatience writes that I’m “always pleasant and positive”, and you counter with “Joseph can be sensitive, pleasant and positive at times.”
Do you get the difference between ALWAYS and AT TIMES??
Like I said. if you are not Joseph then I am sorry. I should have been more clear in my post that it was Joseph who I was calling a creep. And it wasn’t specifically “you” I was trying to get them to fear, it was the Internet in general. Posting private info online can be a dangerous thing, and that is the point I am trying to make here. I am sorry if it came out as an attack specifically against you.
Just as a side note, you may not be Joseph, but you are displaying very Joseph-like behavior in the way you are trying to defend yourself here.
It is unfortunate that this one guy Joseph has caused so much confusion in our minds. Joseph, I am sure you are reading this. You have always wondered why your multiple screen names was such a bad thing. Well, here it is, if AYC is indeed not you as AYC’s posts and your emails claim, then look what you have caused. If you had never used multiple names then there would be no reason for us to accuse anyone falsely of being you.
42
“you are displaying very Joseph-like behavior in the way you are trying to defend yourself here”
Did you expect no reaction to your cyber punches? And I’m not stooping to calling you names.
And is this how you’re apologizing by evoking his name again?
Not mekabel.
42
“then look what you (Joseph) have caused.”
It would be prudent if you (42) took responsibility and the blame.
-“But I didn’t like the way he was arguing against the possibility of creepy people gathering info.”
You could have argued your position without attacking the poster. And to slam a poster because you don’t care for their opinion??
Modeh. I have edited the post and have apologized multiple times. Please be mochel me.
-You claim to be well-informed about Yummy’s family from other threads, yet you haven’t gotten a general composite of my style in the threads?
Truthfully, I haven’t been following enough to get your style or yummy’s. I only know about yummy because of shared IP addresses and I’m pretty sure it was mentioned explicitly, though those posts may have been deleted, but the family ties have been hinted at many times.
-Chocandpatience writes that I’m “always pleasant and positive”, and you counter with “Joseph can be sensitive, pleasant and positive at times.”
Do you get the difference between ALWAYS and AT TIMES??
At times, meaning that he can create a persona who is like that.
AYC:
I’m not taking sides here, but if I can, I would like to defend 42 for a minute. I think 42 was simply trying to be a good moderator, and keep people aware. Sort of like the “terms and conditions” you need to approve before signing up for something. Forewarned is forearmed. Several people have been falsely accused and I don’t believe its because anyone intended to hurt anyone c’v, but to keep the place running smoothly and efficiently and do his job. As a member of the CR, I also hope you can be mochel.
“you are displaying very Joseph-like behavior in the way you are trying to defend yourself here”
Did you expect no reaction to your cyber punches? And I’m not stooping to calling you names.
And is this how you’re apologizing by evoking his name again?
Not mekabel.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t defend yourself, just that your style here is very similar to his, which is what makes it hard for me to accept that you are not him.
“then look what you (Joseph) have caused.”
It would be prudent if you (42) took responsibility and the blame.
Yes, you are correct. I shouldn’t have posted what I did. But I also shouldn’t have let Joseph get into my mind like that, but limayseh, he has. I can’t imagine I would have done this before I met him, so he is partly to blame. I am not placing the blame fully on him, just pointing out to him what he has done. He has always been asking me what is wrong with what he does so I am giving him an answer.
kapusta, you are correct. But my last line calling him a creep was out of line. I have edited it out so now the post just warns of the dangers without calling names.
It was quickly discounted in the other thread because apparently Joseph doesn’t write poetry or haikus or heavy Tanach quoting among other things. He’s before my time and I don’t know his style or quite frankly, much about him either.
And if you “haven’t been following enough to get (my) style” then there would not be much basis to make a disparaging accusation based upon this one opinion that you “didn’t like.”
And if you look further on the main page, you can perhaps see another side based upon my actual posts…(can’t believe you did that, guys!)…unless now you think I’m PrincessEagle, too, and authored the thread to myself…
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/att-everybody-who-knows-amyisraelchai-here
2scents:
Gumball your personal profile is getting bigger, we have now added a cousin to your profile. . .
GumBall:
What profile??
My point exactly! Of course in this case 2scents was joking, but the point remains. A bored person can put together all the random personal info that you post into one big “profile” which they can use to identify you and then manipulate you.
And perhaps it is not such a joke – Gumball claims to be from shevet Yehuda. This is a random, seemingly innocent piece of info. But if I were trying to identify her I can use random info from various posts to figure out her city and town, then use more info to knock it down to 5 possible families from that town, then I can find out which of those 5 families claim to be from Yehuda, then use her place in the family to identify who she is.
It was quickly discounted in the other thread because apparently Joseph doesn’t write poetry or haikus or heavy Tanach quoting among other things.
I rarely read the poetry threads. And one thing that Joseph is very famous for, is his heavy copying and pasting and heavy Tanach quoting. With his Google and copy/paste skills he can easily make himself into a poet.
And if you look further on the main page, you can perhaps see another side based upon my actual posts…(can’t believe you did that, guys!)…unless now you think I’m PrincessEagle, too, and authored the thread to myself…
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/att-everybody-who-knows-amyisraelchai-here
Lol, nice! I must have missed that. Did PrincessEagle start that because of what I wrote about you here or was it totally unrelated?
That’s something you’ll have to ask her, unless you think that I am she…
The Tanach quoting mentioned has nothing to do with cut and paste, e.g.:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/tanach-trivia-1/page/3#post-314077
and beforehand, for example, when we were both dealing with the same question
As far as your claim that J can copy and paste a poem, these poems are a response to previous poster’s poems, so there’s not a chance he’d find it using google. E.g.,
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/att-poetry-people/page/8
42
So now what could anyone possibly do with this information that Yummy has another sibling? What evil can there be lurking here with the modding in place? The worst is that a poster’s identity is uncovered, but there are no social security numbers and dates of birth posted.
And let’s say in the worst case scenario you figure out Gumball’s name, now what??? There are tons of names and addresses in the phone book without a backward’s glance to that public information.
Since YWN has modding, there’s no possibility of a teen being lured c”v.
ayc,
Since YWN has modding, there’s no possibility of a teen being lured c”v.
See Syag’s post above. If a creep finds a teen’s name, he can then possibly find her email address or cell number – maybe he has a niece or something in her neighborhood and gets her to get it for him etc. In the small yiddishe world everyone knows someone who knows you or a classmate/family member of yours. Step 2 – creep sets up a phony YWN screen name claiming to be another teen and shmoozes with target about skool and tests and camps etc, thus gaining target’s friendship and causing her to lower her guard. He then emails or text’s target and says hey wanna go for pizza? Target, thinking she’s talking to a friend her age and not a male middle aged creep says sure, why not?
Tell me how the creep could have done that by looking for names in a phone book.
BTW, if you think the above is far-fetched, then maybe someone can explain to me why someone a few weeks ago tried to get gumball to reveal who her teacher is and which school she goes to? That thread was B”H deleted by an astute mod before it got too far. It was done with the same fake-friend tactic described above – pretending they may know her teacher and then saying something like “OMG what are your teacher’s initials” or something like that.
Parents of teens: Think 100 times before letting your teens onto a chat site – even a kosher one like this.
Gumball and all other teens here – remember that your CR friends are NOT real friends and if you get a text, email or phone call from someone who claims to be someone from this site DO NOT respond, and preferably let your parents know.
I am NOT speaking against AYC but I would like to join kapusta for a minute and say that 42 is acting as a mod who needs to be extra cautious. I saw from his original post that he was addressing Joseph and I was surprised that people’s responses seemed to miss that. Also, in line with what Charlie Brown said so well, in the last two weeks AYC has (innocently IMHO) offered a private email twice to invite outside communication. While I don’t think there was any outside agenda involved, as a moderator I would advice caution, and if my kid had been the one to respond I probably would have had his head. So 42 may have spoken out of turn, and maybe not, but as a mod he should probably be cut some slack.
I don’t understand the debate. It’s a fact, personal info can get leaked by mistake, and gathered on purpose.
I don’t know if anyone WILL use the info, However someone CAN use it. Simple fact!
Not worth the risk!
wow this thread certainly spun around….i’m almost afraid to ask if we can get back on track….
There is a Midrash that tells a story:
R’ Eliezer (?) was once giving a shiur to a large group of people, on the halachos of burglaries. In it, he expounded and elaborated upon various methods one might use to sneak into another’s home, and he brought it home by citing some specific, relevant examples. The Midrash says that that night there were 3000 (?) burglaries in town.
Point is: Parent’s, teach your kids. If you don’t agree, then in this case, keep it to yourself. We don’t need people arguing here about it, turning this thread into a veritable instruction manual for creeps.
ayc
1. there HAVE been some significant problems, though nothing of a terrible nature, that have occurred between posters here in the cr because of the unwarranted exchange of personal information.
2. i know 42 well. he is a mentch and an erliche Yid.
3. 42 is also very astute and has usually been the first to discover new joseph identities.
4. his intentions here were honest and for the sake of keeping the cr a safe place. his acerbic wit was displayed purely towards joseph, from whom 42 has had a great deal of frustration and agmas nefesh in the past
5. it seems that in this case, the first that i can think of, he has made a mistake. (although with joseph one can never be quite sure)
6. he has stated publicly that he now ALSO believes he may have made a mistake in this. A MISTAKE…this can happen, even to 42. he has admitted this. he has apologized for this. he has asked ayc for mechilah for this. he has tried to mend the rift between himself and ayc.
7. this should never have gotten to this unpleasant point.
i think it is time to end it now and let it be dropped.
8. ayc, i think it would be proper for you to state your mechilah in your next post. if i am on your good list (i dont remember) then i would ask you, if necessary, as a personal favor, to offer your mechila to 42 now. if i am on your other list then i would ask you to disregard this fact and do it because it is the right thing to do, it would be a chesed to a Yid (mod-42) who stands in the Good Graces of Hashem, and i believe is very distressed by the (well intentioned) mistake he has made.
Hey 80 nice to hear from you. its been a while.
I have read through this entire thread & am appalled & saddened that am yisrael chai– one of the finest, ehrliche posters in the CR has been so (mistakenly) maligned!! :/
btw~ I’m the elder of 2 sisters.
yitayningwut,
I agree with you in principal and that’s why I originally just said its dangerous. However when AYC kept arguing that its the same as looking up names in a phone book and insisting that revealing personal info on this site is completely safe, I felt its important to show in detailed terms why thats not true – I didn’t want teens who are already here to believe that its safe and not be on guard.
Also, I don’t think any creeps need my instructions.
We all know that at this time Ayc is grief stricken lets cut him some slack, he is not usually one to get easily offended but i can certainly see why he did get offended here, and no he is not joseph.
I’m sure and almost posotive that nobody has the slightest idea who I am…And btw Half of klal Yisrael is from Shevet yehudah…GO FIGURE!!
who here has been around long enough to remember this exchange:
chasid-of-Hashem
Member
cantoresq-
i asked you this once before but the thread got closed before you could reply- you sound exactly like my uncle and, to clarify, i just wanted to know- what type of law do you practice? Please answer,
from your almost niece in lakewood.
Posted 2 years ago #
cantoresq
Member
My main specialty is domestic relations. And I have a niece in Lakewood. If you are my niece, cool.
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chasid-of-Hashem
Member
yup, canatoresq, it does sound to me like you are my nunc!! i guess the next ywn thread will be entitled “looking for family members…”
seriously, its nice to hear from you. and regards from your niece’s daughter who is named after your grandmother!!
cantoresq
Member
REPLY: Well now, isn’t this an interesting turn of events. YWN is now a family affair. Perhaps someone might want to write a graduate school thesis on the family dynamic of yeshivish internet blogs. You have a case study right before your eyes.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-hashkafic-affiliation/page/2#post-14935
72? you are still here? cool!
GumBall: I’m sure and almost posotive that nobody has the slightest idea who I am…And btw Half of klal Yisrael is from Shevet yehudah…GO FIGURE!!
As far as I know, most of klal Yisrael doesn’t know what shevet they’re from other than kohanim and leviim. It may be true that half are from Yehuda, but not all of them know it. And even so, it is an extra piece of information that could help piece together a bigger puzzle. If I were to say that I am a kohen from Brooklyn that wouldn’t give away much. But it can be helpful later on after more identifying information has been posted. I’m not saying not to post anything, just to be careful and to realize the consequences. And to realize that people can use seemingly innocent information against you. Imagine that you are wearing a camp sweatshirt with your name on the sleeve and someone walks up to you on the street and calls you by your name and starts shmoozing about camp, you will trust them because they have this info until you realize that they read it on your sweatshirt. A name and a camp are innocent little pieces of information, but in the wrong hands can be used to manipulate you.
Thanx..
42: Thank you. It’s really nice of you to care for the fellow CRers safety. I really appreciate your responsibility and concern. Thank you for truly doing your job as moderator.
I’m second of 5 kids
father of 4
I like booze.
’nuff said.
I have purposely stayed away from threads such as this because they too often in the past lead to bad feelings or misunderstandings, though none that I can remember have been quite as vociferous as this one has gotten to be. Whether the poster AYC is Joseph or not we should leave to the mods who are in a better position knowing everyone’s deleted posts that we do not. But AYC has never tried to take over, as Joseph’s aliases used to. He has always been helpful and charming so I would not care if he was a Joseph if he was behaving himself. But the mod’s comments were too strong for what was only a hunch.
As for the mods being moderated, one of 42’s posts say EDITED at the end! Is this
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