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Just watching the Motzei Shabbos event, being shown on Yeshiva World, was a thrill, I can imagine what an inspiration this was for both hosts and participants and everyone who was involved!
Like Ive heard Kiruv professionals say, being involved in Kiruv is inspiring also for those being Mekarev, and not only for the potential Baalei Teshuva.
Two thousand BTs stayed in Flatbush and had planned events speakers and entertainment.
When will Boro Park have a Shabbos Project?
Boro Park is close to 100% frum. Flatbush still has non-frum residents. It would be difficult to import thousands of frei yidden to Boro Park for a Shabbos. Where will thousands of irreligious Jews willingly come to BP from for an overnight stay?
I’m sure if its worked out well many non religious people from the outskirts if boro park would be interested
Which outskirts of BP? One side is Flatbush and the other side is the Asian neighborhood. And how many on the outskirts are there – and the ones there are are apt to go to frum folks in their own area.
I’m not going into nitpicking arguments. I’m pretty sure there are people who would come if it sounds interesting enough to them
Yeah, of course, some stragglers here and there. But the OP was talking about “thousands”.
AZOI, you are not spending enough time here.
If you did you would know that Brooklyn, NY is the center of the universe.
Everyone from any other place (possibly, but not definitely, including Yerushalayim) is referred to as OOT.
(OOT is a pejorative, not a compliment.)
Try this experiment:
Take a globe.
Find Brooklyn.
If you can’t, settle for NYC.
Put your finger on the spot you have found.
Notice- your finger is exactly at the center of the globe.
See?
golfer – 😀
Golfer, not true. Nowadays, Lakewood is also considered in town.
If Brooklyn, NY were not the center of the universe, nobody would use the phrase “out-of-town city” because it would make no sense.
But then no one will have anyone to invite. So they’ll end up inviting each other and it’ll all be one big happy family reunion.
Nu, Mark, what do you think is the demographic reality?
That will bring in a few dozen cumulatively, at best, “from far out in the USA”, not “thousands”.
Even if that’s all true, there aren’t thousands of non-religious from across the USA that will be willing to fly to BP for a Shabbos.
Yes, I can see thousands of irreligious Jews lining up at their local Amtrak station to board the train to Penn Station on their way to their Shabbaton in Boro Park.
Perhaps we can organize for them a Daf Yomi. 🙂
Oh, no, I’m all for it. I’m just saying let’s be accurate. It isn’t going to involve thousands. As a matter of reality it will be dozens. If relating realism is negative why not say that we can expect “hundreds of thousands” to participate.
I don’t think it’s not realistic to expect thousands to come or at least hundreds. If every family or even most families in bp invited one person you have thousands.
You all have such a condescending attitude about BP H’kodesh. If any of the residents paid any attention to all the publicity put out (Project Inspire was coordinating the project for the Metro NY area), you’d know that the idea was to invite someone. Not necessarily someone from your neighborhood. But perhaps someone from your workplace, or someone you meet randomly. I’d suggest you all watch Project Inspire’s Tisha B’av videos again and see how, for example, the Traveling Chassidim evolved. A few years ago I was at Projet Inspire’s convention and met quite a number of Chassidic families from both Williamsburg and Monsey who were delighted to have non-frum people as Shabbos guests. In fact, they often have an “advantage” in attracting the non-frum because they frequently get bageled given their obviously Orthodox appearance. And where do the guests stay? In your homes, not hotels. We’re already pumping up for the Shabbos Project 2015 (Oct. 23-24). All you need is a few interested people to get involved in any given community.
Isn’t Boro Park one of the neighborhoods where no one says “good Shabbos” to a stranger? For that reason alone a Shabbos project wouldn’t work in BP. Anyway, I don’t think there’s enough room in overcrowded BP for additional thousands of people.
For one shabbos we can squeeze in more people. Like for instance when some big rabbis come from out of town hundreds or maybe thousands of chasidim manage to find places to stay.
If you really cared about each Jew you wouldn’t wait for some “shtotty” guy to make some project. Make the calls and invite the secular yiddin yourself.
I don’t think English speakers is a problem in many shuls in boro park.
Your excitement of planning/having an event is blinding you to what kiruv is and how to bring people close to the Hashem. There are plenty of chassidishe yidden that help mekarev non religious Jews and don’t need a huge program, as nice as it may be.
Like I said before pick up the phone and make a call, you’ll have more success bringing a non observant Jew closer to Hashem by a making a relationship/friendship with a him/her than a huge program(unless maybe it was consistent). Also try not making it sound like “potential” BTs are projects, they are people with feelings too.
@azolis your right us chassidim are not really into the outreach thing. We prefer biker cholim and those style things
I don’t see what’s so funny! There are many chasidim who are quietly doing kiruv one on one without official projects and shabbatons. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be shabbos projects. Just pointing out that there is kiruv behind the scenes all the time
@ivory good point why does it have to be a project people can do it one by one
The satmar rebbe was once asked why he didn’t send schluchim to other cities he replied because well become like them faster then they’ll become like us
We all know the famous explanation of what is the difference between Noach and Abraham
Noach kept to himself and did not try to improve anyone else. Avraham went out and sought to tell people about hashem
First if all, why do I have to keep on logging in?
Secondly I am not against a big shabbos project at all! Just suggesting that it can be done all the time one in one which people do anyway. Including chasidim.
Ivory, you hit the nail on the head, why does me picking up the phone need to be a public thing, maybe someone is looking for a the honor!?
AZOI.IS: I’m not interested in answering your question, this whole thread is you taking shots at a whole community/type of yidden(which to me sounds counter productive, would you tell that to your fellow “potential BTs”). This excitement of having a large Shabbos together is very beautiful but is hardly a success.
You know when bp will have a Shabbos project when kiryas yoel has one
I have definitely seen chasidish people walking with non chasidish.
*Sorry definitely . Don’t know how to edit after posting. And why do I keep on getting logged out?.
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*Sorry definitely . Don’t know how to edit after posting. And why do I keep on getting logged out?.
Are you logging in to post on news stories? That logs you out of the coffeeroom-79
If I may add, if there were to be a large event that was well advertised, I believe unknowing Jews would come.
Jews who do not know about Torah Judaism, when among religious Jews, will have tremendous respect and a lot of questions.
You may find them to be very accomplished/educated, good-natured, spiritual, thoughtful, and sincere. They just dont know about Torah, the Gedolim, and the Hashkafa of things.
Being mekariv someone is a very slow process of up and down and lateral movement. Like I heard someone once say, balei tshuva are expected to change almost everything about who they are and how they live and who they associate with. It is a big thing. Mitzvos cannot just be presented like a laundry list of “good deeds” with the approach that if you want to be a good person, just do all these things; the more the better.
Hatzlacha rabbah to all who try to add a little light to our brothers and sisters who just dont know, through no fault of their own.
There was a decent sized event in Queens and the entire community was asked to avertise and there was some public adversting as well
They were projected to get 200 people, Its likely about 60 showed up
It’s a mitzvah but chassidim have there own things were not really into kiruv
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