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Before the wedding begins-Before the chupa-After the chupa-After the yichud room or the next morning?
There are different shittas. Some say before the Chupa, some say immediately after the wedding.
Some say after the chuppa and some say the next morning.
Whatever your minhag is.
r-b: It isn’t minhag but halacha. A married woman needs to have covered hair.
Chaya- you are seemingly married from your previous Chinuch thread. I find it interesting that you don’t know the answer. What did you do at your wedding?
We all know its a halacha. the difference is in your minhag when are you considered married? after the chupa or the next day?
It’s a question of psak halacha, with different psaks. Nothing to do with “minhag”.
I’m pretty sure it is a machlokes in din.
So some hold it is m’din assur to wait until the morning. And some don’t.
I was told the next morning. I have heard different shittos and my friend wore her shaitel to her chuppah.
In other words, CYLOR.
The Wolf
Pac-Man – The Minhag of what your Halacha is.
The next morning. There are different shitas according to where you are from and if you are litvish or chasidish. The Yeshivish shita is the next morning.
whatever your hubby’s rav tells him is the right thing to do.
Wolf can you explain please?
Rav Moshe Feinstein held the next morning, Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky told me from the yichud.
Pac-Man
please dont quote non-existent HALACHOS on a public website.
yes, the Halacha is a married woman covers her hair –
BUT concerning a Kallah the day of the wedding, it is steeped in MINHAG and as has correctly been written, some say before the Chuppa, some say after and some say only the next morning without going into the reasoning in this public forum.
and for your info, some say a Besulah MAY NOT cover her hair before the Chuppa so that all will see she is a besulah.
the issue here is Minhag/Chumrah and NOT halacha.
Joe – where is the psak halacha found for when a kallah covers her hair?
Again, the issue is one strictly of din (like popa said), and has nothing to do with minhagim.
cherry: Once the Kallah is an eishes ish, the rules of an eishes ish apply. That is the basis for the psak that she immediately cover her hair. (Granting there is a differing opinion allowing until the morning.)
Aha! It took 20 comments on this thread (plus innumerable comments on other threads) for Joseph to grant that there is a differing opinion!!! Hodu LaShem ki tov!!! Will Moshiach finally arrive today?!
Pac-Man- People have different minhagim how to pasken.
wolf…do you have that copypastad somewhere…(over teh rainbow) or do you actually type your sig each time…because i can just imagine you sitting at your computer…typing with purpose…and then holding down the ShIfT key and positively BANGING on the T and W keys and then clicking send post with a true sense of accomplishment…and to be honest it kind of amuses me 🙂
Joe, even if for whatever reason she is still a besulah?
I once heard a shiur about hair covering. Many people have asked why hair changes after marriage. One reason is that it’s mentioned somewhere that the koach that hair has (which isn’t easily explainable) changes when the woman is no longer a besulah. After it changes, it needs to be covered. We assume that after marriage, this is the case. However, at the wedding itself, we don’t assume that, and she doesn’t have to cover her hair until the next morning.
I heard a shiur from R’ Pearl this morning and he said there are many different shittos. He said according to R’ Moshe it is required only after biah rishonah. He said there was a case where after a year that still hadn’t happened and I think he said R’ Dovid said (could’ve been he said R’ Moshe) that the women did not have to cover her hair.
“When does a kalla have to cover her hair?”
When the family Rav says that she must.
I heard a kallah may go with her hair as long as she is still wearing a wedding dress and it’s obvious that she just got married. So in practice its the same as saying till the morning.
Feif Un~ that makes sense to me!
Wolf can you explain please?
CYLOR = Contact Your Local Orthodox Rabbi.
In other words, when you get married, ask your rav when to begin covering your hair and follow his advice. If he says after the chuppah, then do so. If he says the next morning, then do so.
The Wolf
always here: I was told that a major posek once quoted that reason to someone who lost her husband in a car accident while driving to the hotel from their wedding. She was told she didn’t have to cover her hair.
Feif Un~ 🙁 .. R’L
Feif: If that reason is accurate, the logic would lead to requiring someone who becomes a non-besula before marriage to cover her hair.
I was told that a major posek once quoted that reason to someone who lost her husband in a car accident while driving to the hotel from their wedding. She was told she didn’t have to cover her hair.
I find it very hard to believe that any posek would be so callous as to, in effect, tell a newly grieving widow that it’s her fault her brand-new husband died. Especially since she apparently asked a shaila and was following the p’sak she received.
The Wolf
According to some poskim women do not have to cover their hair all the time, even in front of non-related men.
ONLY if the woman is unmarried.
I find it very hard to believe that any posek would be so callous as to, in effect, tell a newly grieving widow that it’s her fault her brand-new husband died.
That’s why sentance structure is so important.
“According to some poskim women do not have to cover their hair all the time, even in front of non-related men.”
Joe- “ONLY if the woman is unmarried.”
Do your research Joe and you’ll discover that there are poskim who hold that married women do not have to cover their hair all the time, even in front of non-related men.
Then I obviously did not read it through carefully enough. Nice to see that my skepticism was well-placed. Thank you for pointing it out.
The Wolf
cherry: You must be referring to a certain Rabbi Professor whose so-called defense of that has been denounced as an evil diatribe that the Godol compared to Acher.
Pac-Man alias Pac/man alias Pac man alias joseph:
You must be referring to the article where he clearly is making a limud zchus for people who don’t cover their hair, and not paskening that it is muttar.
You obviously never read the article. Neither did I, but I have at least heard about it other than from other virulent diatribes on the internet.
Joe, I can’t say that I know what you are talking about.
I have indeed read the article.
And so has Hagaon HaRav Miller shlit”a.
Perhaps the next issue of the RCA journal can publish a “limud zchus” for mixed swimming.
The Mishna Berurah seems to pasken that after kiddushin a lady needs to cover her hair. (see hilchos krias shma) However the velt generally seems to be maikel like other poskim who don’t require until after the wedding.
A. You have not read it. You are lying. I wouldn’t trust you with a wooden nickel. Your entire presence in this forum is sheker.
B. Not Rabbi Miller again. Why must you sully his name?
ckbshl:
Which posek disagrees with the Mishna Berura?
s/o quoted R’ Moshe but I think there are earlier sources. Never did extensive research.
We do after the wedding…lk the next day thet get up…
M’ikor hadin, only a b’ula needs to cover her hair, married or unmarried; but there are some poskim who will matir an almana and maybe even a g’rusha, if it will help her to remarry.
Also, while it is noble for a married woman to have her hair covered at all times, there are poskim who hold that m’ikor hadin a married woman can have her hair uncovered in her own home and if unrelated men happen to be in her home while her hair is uncovered, so be it. This practice used to be more prevalent in the times of yesteryear’s g’dolim.
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