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February 4, 2011 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #741304vacationMember
I’m a boy in the parsha right now and I felt the urge to comment after reading this thread. Firstly, if you’re a parent that has a child in shidduchim,, please get on the same page with them. Remember that they are the ones dating and it’s their future at stake. You may want something different, that’s for you and your child to work out before dating. I have dated girls who are looking for something completely different than what their parents are setting them up with.
Secondly, for those people who put down middos and everything is secondary, I don’t believe you. Middos may be a extremely important characteristic, but intellect, looks, family, level of religiousness, play an extremely large role. I know plenty of people in shidduchim (both boys and girls) and anyone who has said they only cared about middos suddenly started caring about other things when I tried setting them up.
Thirdly, take a look in the mirror and judge yourself first. Consider it like the job interview question, name 2 strengths and 2 weaknesses. Everyone has things they can work on, and this way you know what your date might like and not like about you.
P.S. if you leave in NY I’m finding it hard to believe that you can’t daven shachris and maariv with a minyan. I hope there is a good reason for you to consistently miss minyan. I work a extremely demanding job in the city and found time to go to a nightly daf yomi shiur. I may not make it every single day but more likely than not I’m there.
February 4, 2011 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #741305SacrilegeMembercofeefan
Feel free. Friendly warning: This individual is hard to come by π
pba
If you are single (especially if you live in NY) there is pretty much no excuse why you cant make Minyan 3x a day.
February 4, 2011 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #741306miritchkaMembervacation,
I’ll respond to you ‘al rishon rishon’:
-Totally agree!
-When someone says their looking for midos first and looks is secondary, it can be 100% true. But if some great guy/gal with great middos is difficult to look at, yes it may play a large factor in a negative response! Doesnt mean that looks are everything..
-good point!
-true true true! When i was in a bank in the city, there was a muslim passing by, he looked at his watch and put down his prayer rug and knelt down to pray. If they can do it 6x’s a day, halevai we can do it 3x’s a day!
February 4, 2011 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #741307SacrilegeMember“If they can do it 6x’s a day”
5.
February 4, 2011 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #741308yitayningwutParticipantI am looking for someone who is a girl, Jewish and living according to halacha, and I am looking for chemistry.
Truthfully I know there are a number of factors that may or may not enable this ‘chemistry’ to be there; she will probably have to be sensitive, intelligent, and pretty. But I don’t have a list with which I scrutinize each girl and when I check off the entire list say, “Hey, lets get married.” And sometimes it can just ‘click’ with a girl even though she didn’t appear to have those qualities. So basically, if I think I like her I’ll go out with her and see how it goes, kinda regardless of what her ‘qualifications’ are, and if not, not.
Only thing is I need someone who will be interested in a guy like me. That seems kind of hard to come by, because I think the ‘me’ on paper does not accurately represent the ‘me’ in real life. Not that on paper I have serious issues, but that it ostensibly portrays me as something I’m not.
February 4, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #741309ItcheSrulikMemberpba: I can say edus that my father, a modern Orthodox baal teshuva with a two hour commute has missed exactly two minyanim since July 2005. I was there both times.
February 4, 2011 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #741310popa_bar_abbaParticipantLook, I don’t doubt there are people who are always there for every minyan.
Firstly, they obviously have access to a mincha at work or school.
Secondly, their day is probably not very long.
My day is 6:45 to usually 8:00. I daven shachris at shul, and there is sometimes a mincha in my building. I am not going back out for maariv at 10. I am going to sleep.
My situation is, I believe, more typical. Take a poll, ask guys who are working at real jobs (not 9-5). I just don’t buy it.
February 4, 2011 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #741311gavra_at_workParticipantLook, I don’t doubt there are people who are always there for every minyan.
Firstly, they obviously have access to a mincha at work or school.
Secondly, their day is probably not very long.
My day is 6:45 to usually 8:00. I daven shachris at shul, and there is sometimes a mincha in my building. I am not going back out for maariv at 10. I am going to sleep.
My situation is, I believe, more typical. Take a poll, ask guys who are working at real jobs (not 9-5). I just don’t buy it.
I have to agree with Popa here. Living and working OOT means that there is no minyan on every corner 24/7, and sometimes it is just not doable. As with everything else in life, there are halachos as per when and how far one must go to daven with a minyan.
February 4, 2011 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #741312ItcheSrulikMemberSounds a lot like my father’s day except that he does go back out for maariv.
February 4, 2011 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #741313SacrilegeMemberpba
It is what you make it. If its important to you, you’ll make the time for it. My father works over 12 hours a day, yet still Davens 3x a day w a Minyan.
Of course I’m not sure I am the best one to judge, I can barely sit through Yomim Noraim π
February 4, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #741314bptParticipant“there are halachos as per when and how far one must go to daven with a minyan.”
While I live in BP (where minyan in never a problem), when I choose a vacation destination, minyan is part of the plans. Even if halacha would allow otherwise.
Even when I travel for business, minyan is part of the plan. Of course, things happen, but when it does, its an accident, not willfull. Kinda like skipping a meal. Not something I set out to do from the get-go.
If its a priority, you can make it work.
February 4, 2011 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #741315bptParticipant“My situation is, I believe, more typical. Take a poll, ask guys who are working at real jobs (not 9-5). I just don’t buy it. “
Maybe so. But it sets a lousy example for the kids. Think I don’t miss sleeping in till 10:00 on Sundays? But if my kids got to wake up at 7:00 to get to school, I’m up too.
Now minyan is part of their day. Know why? Because they saw it as part of my day.
Of course, this may not be the majority. But then again, Jews are not the majority. But we are unique, and have unique attributes.
Minyan is one of them. Its not a chore; its a privilege
February 4, 2011 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #741316Sister BearMemberI always say I’m sooo glad I’m not a guy. Uch imagine having to go out 3 times a day in the freezing cold!!!!! So PBA I can understand why its hard to do it.
But in my house…my father can go to sleep at 1 and wake up at 6 to learn and daven. He instilled in us a chasivus for davening, never to be late (if he wants to catch a minyan at 5:30 he’s outta the house by 5), not to rush into davening, not to talk during davening…
So PBA if right now you don’t have kids to be a role model for, first of all you might not know who else is looking up to you and 2 – you don’t automatically change once you’re married. So if you do want davening to be a big thing for your kids then try and start now.
Good luck!!!
February 4, 2011 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #741317popa_bar_abbaParticipantSis:
That is shachris. Most guys do daven shachris in shul.
Mincha is completely dependent on whether you have a minyan at your work or school, and is really not part of this discussion.
The only issue is maariv. I don’t go back out. I think most people who have a real schedule do not. And I think it is fine.
February 6, 2011 5:13 am at 5:13 am #741318yummy cupcakeMembersac, i feel the same exact way my fam and i are the same way! and B”H i don’t have low self esteem but i need and like to really feel loved and cared for in a sweet way
February 6, 2011 5:19 am at 5:19 am #741319chayav inish livisumayParticipanti think the important things are
big house
nice car
a lot of money
wears expensive clothes
and has good liquor
February 6, 2011 5:24 am at 5:24 am #741320eclipseMemberputting liquor last is a good sign
February 6, 2011 5:31 am at 5:31 am #741321cshapiroMember@chayav what about perfume or cologne?? or u have no preference??
February 6, 2011 6:05 am at 6:05 am #741323HealthParticipantBack to the topic: You can put on your list qualities that you don’t have, but only as something you would like to see in a spouse. You can’t demand a spouse to have those qualities that you yourself are lacking!
February 6, 2011 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #741324SacrilegeMemberyummy cupcake
I dont think its more about being told how much you are loved and being showed vs just knowing it.
February 6, 2011 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #7413251dayatatimeParticipanthey guys, 1day here, have not had a chance to post for the last few days
To answer Gefens question
A girl who is family oriented is very important to me, as I would like to build a happy, healthy and cohesive family
What I meant was, that, if the family isn’t perfect it doesn’t really matter so much to me: e.g. Divorced, has an ill child, has a teen off the derech, has older singles, has no yichus, parents are baal tshuva, and the likes
As long as I like her and we enjoy each others company, and share the same goals….. MAZEL TOV
I’m a big fan of Malcolm Gladwells Blink
I believe it ery much applies to me, I can make a “list” till the cows turn blue, it won’t matter, it’s all up to THE ONE
and oomis i’m old enough to be your daughters older brother
shmooze
1day
February 6, 2011 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #741326yossi z.MemberMy phone seems to be malfunctioning let’s see if this post even gets sent in to be modded. If it does I will bli neder be making a proper, relevant post here.
February 6, 2011 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #741327cofeefanMember“I can make a “list” till the cows turn blue, it won’t matter, it’s all up to THE ONE”
nicely said 1day….. sounds like you have the right idea….
i am the same way i don’t care about their family as long as they are nice normal sweet people and that he will be a good father and husband to our family!
February 6, 2011 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #741328yossi z.MemberHere goes:
She need not:
Be from a wealthy family
Have yichus
Be the prettiest girl around
Be from the best family around, if not from yichus, either
Basically as cofeefan put it very nicely just in the masculine form, I don’t care about family as long as they are nice normal sweet people and she will be a good wife and mother to our family
π Zuberman! π
February 6, 2011 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #741329takish mamishMemberI want a rich boy
I want a good-looking boy
I want a fun boy
I want a smart boy
I want a tall boy
I want a cool boy
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [put a big X over all that]
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I WANT A NICE BOY
February 6, 2011 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #741330eclipseMemberAll the single “kids” in the CR sound amazing….my most sincere wishes for the best shidduchim ever to every single one of you.Don’t let crazy stories like mine scare you–it’s what I needed to go thru,NOT YOU.
February 6, 2011 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #741331happiestMemberI’m getting so nervous! Is anyone going to want to marry me?
I know that I will make a really good mother (everyone tells me that), not trying to brag here or a/t, but I’m really good with kids- b”H. I just have my mental health issues but they’re b”H so much better, I’m now symptom free for a good couple of months but who’s still going to want to marry someone who went through what I did?!?!
February 7, 2011 12:27 am at 12:27 am #741332yossi z.MemberHappiest: I used to have a sign hanging on my door which said: don’t tell Hashem how big your problems are; tell your problems how big Hashem is. I have tried applying this to my life and though it isn’t easy to follow such a dictum at all times it does help.
From what I have seen around and about the CR especially in regards to the people in this thread, I am gonna say this: it would seriously be great if there could be shidduchim made between quite a few of the CR members (yes happiest, including you) now I will turn tail and run before anyone catches me π
π Zuberman! π
February 7, 2011 12:38 am at 12:38 am #741333observanteenMemberhappiest: It’s absolutely not in our hands. You will IY”H find your bashert soon. Besides, there are so many ppl out there who were perfectly “normal” and married monsters. It doesn’t matter. THEY weren’t protected cuz they didn’t go through what you did. I also think that one who suffered such a major ordeal is more ripe and mature. I certainly think you’ll make a gr8 mother (although I only know you through your posts).
eclipse: I’m sooo sorry about your fate. I was always terrified of marriage, but, I came to realize that there are only TWO things I can do: 1- Daven 2- work on MY middos, so if he’s the special boy I’m so sure I’ll marry, I should at least deserve him;) And if Chas Vesholom he’s not, there should at least be ONE settled parent… I hope that you, too will find your bashert REAL soon.
February 7, 2011 12:43 am at 12:43 am #741334happiestMemberThanks Yossi Z.
I’m going to try to remember that saying!!
February 7, 2011 12:44 am at 12:44 am #741335dunnoMemberOh no! There are shadchanim in the coffee room too? My fellow singles…time to watch ourselves!
February 7, 2011 12:52 am at 12:52 am #741336observanteenMemberOkay Yossi- let’s see if you know what we’re REALLY like. Go ahead! Shidduch #1…
February 7, 2011 1:57 am at 1:57 am #741337cshapiroMember@happiest…we all have skeletons in our closet, let me not reveal mine but believe me, we all got baggage. may be different sizes, different colors different weights but we all got it…nobody breezes thru life, dont ever be fooled. Emunah kicks in when logic checks out as rabbi brody always says…and as other posters mentioned, theres nothing hashem cant do…just ask. i know its easier said then done, ive bh worked on my relationship with hashem and although i have many miles to go, its def a good feeling to be close to hashem :))
February 7, 2011 2:02 am at 2:02 am #741338happiestMemberThanks cshapiro- it’s really hard but I gotta just try and stay focused! Hashem is the One that runs the world and He will help me find my bashert when it’s time!! Iy”H it will be sooner rather than later!
February 7, 2011 2:04 am at 2:04 am #741339cofeefanMember“Emunah kicks in when logic checks out”
cshapiro- that is the BEST saying i’ve heard in a very long time and i am going to take it with me throughout my life. thank you so much for posting it! can i be so bold as to ask what you did to get closer to Hashem as you mentioned…. it’s something i am trying to work on also….
February 7, 2011 2:10 am at 2:10 am #741340cshapiroMemberits not me, its rabbi brody…
bh i have a super amazing bestest friend who recommended i read garden of emunah after i went thru a really hard break up with an ex bf….and its changed my entire life.
we have a conference call every night where we read garden of emunah and discuss it as well as other questions. i also started reading ‘in forest fields’ but i left it on a plane in zurich, bh breslov israel is sending me another copy :)))…it discusses developing a relationship with hashem and speaking to him throughout the day. i cant even describe to you what a good feeling it is. i listen to rabbi brodys shuirim and give out his emunah cds…because i discovered emunah through a friend, why wouldnt i wanna share it :)))
February 7, 2011 4:15 am at 4:15 am #741341yossi z.MemberShucks. Caught. Didn’t make it to the door.
Observanteen: I am no shadchan I was just saying that one should be brought here. Based on my observations I think something can be done. I am also single.
Try number 2. Run!!!
π Zuberman! π
February 7, 2011 10:27 am at 10:27 am #741342kapustaParticipantSecondly, for those people who put down middos and everything is secondary, I don’t believe you. Middos may be a extremely important characteristic, but intellect, looks, family, level of religiousness, play an extremely large role. I know plenty of people in shidduchim (both boys and girls) and anyone who has said they only cared about middos suddenly started caring about other things when I tried setting them up.
I’m one of those people who would put down Middos (and I think I did on a similar thread). Its only realistic to want to marry someone in the same general category (frumkeit, intellect etc). If they are to build a life together, they need some common ground. As far as the Middos thing, what I mean is thats the one thing I wont compromise on. The other stuff we could talk about, but no Middos and hes out the door.
February 7, 2011 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #741343yossi z.MemberKapusta: In case I am one of the people you were referring to here, I didn’t say I thought middos, family, etc weren’t important (they are most definitely important. Family can effect a persons make up), I was just saying I am not looking for the tippy top.
π Zuberman! π
February 16, 2011 1:26 am at 1:26 am #741344yossi z.MemberOh, and one more thing, she doesn’t have to be younger or same age as me. I would be willing to marry someone up to (absolute maximum) three years older than me. This had been planned to be put in my original post of what I am looking for but due to the phone malfunctioning I guess I didn’t put it in. Oh well here it is now.
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February 16, 2011 3:42 am at 3:42 am #741345cshapiroMemberi know this is so wierd coming from me, but is nerdiness sucha big deal???? im so bad, im trying to ignore it but idk it may really bother me, how do i know if its something huge or not??
February 16, 2011 4:18 am at 4:18 am #741346dunnoMembercshapiro
If it’s something that will bother you in the long run then I wouldn’t suggest you go into it. You don’t want to be turned off by your husband.
February 16, 2011 5:12 am at 5:12 am #741347mom12Participantyupp, there is a shadchan in the CR.
and it does sound like there are ,good for each others, here
How do we get things rolling…like some mazel tovs?
Yes Midos is most important, but hashkafos and frumkeit level do have to be considered as well
February 16, 2011 6:20 am at 6:20 am #741348rebbitzenMemberYossi z, are you really in shidduchim? youre only 19! π
February 16, 2011 6:21 am at 6:21 am #741349rebbitzenMemberbtw, happiest, what do you call a mental issue? maybe others don’t think it’s a big deal?
February 17, 2011 1:01 am at 1:01 am #741350yossi z.MemberRebbitzen: yes, I (relatively) just started though.
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February 17, 2011 1:06 am at 1:06 am #741351rebbitzenMemberwow! cool! good luck! are you chasidish?
February 17, 2011 1:18 am at 1:18 am #741352happiestMemberrebbetzin- I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder but am doing so well that my drs are ready to lower my medication and decrease my therapy. I am also dating again b”H! So yes, in answer to your question, it is considered a mental health issue; unfortunately.
February 17, 2011 1:26 am at 1:26 am #741353yossi z.MemberYes (I am a bostoner chossid) but that has nothing to do with it. Our/my way shidduchim are dealt with, are a case to case basis, in other words, no set age is given, it is when the person is mature enough/ready etc. Yes at 19 I (and others) feel I have matured enough to be going out.
Thank you π
Don’t chassideshe (read poilish/hungarian chassidim) people start at 17/18 though?
π Zuberman! π
February 17, 2011 1:33 am at 1:33 am #741354happiestMemberJust want to add that I spoke to a rav a number of months ago and was told that I should not tell until the third date and that my references do not have to say anything unless specifically asked BUT that is with me telling the boy on date three so nothing will be withheld when iy”H going into a marriage.
Also, so my references wouldn’t feel uncomfortable about what to say, I coached them (with the ravs guidance). They feel much better about being my references and I feel confident going into my dates!
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