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November 12, 2010 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #593011WIYMember
There’s a current story on YWN about a BY in Bensonhurst about to close.
We know that a girls school in Lakewood closed and the BY in Boro Park claimed to be on the verge of bankruptcy.
What the hey is going on?! Are the funds being mismanaged? Are people not paying tuition? Are the gevirim not giving to the non name brand Yeshivos?
There’s obviously a big problem. What can be done differently?
November 12, 2010 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #708886popa_bar_abbaParticipantYou don’t get much more name brand than BY of BP.
November 12, 2010 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #708887WIYMemberPopa
I know. I really can’t understand how that school is having financial problems.
November 12, 2010 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #708888SJSinNYCMemberPeople don’t prioritize money for tuition.
November 12, 2010 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #708889popa_bar_abbaParticipantI have already opined this in a different thread, but, I think the schools overextended themselves in the days of plenty, and now need to readjust themselves to the new economy. (much like everyone else)
November 12, 2010 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #708890mw13Participant“Whats the deal with Yeshiva/BY closures lately?”
Um… the recession?
November 13, 2010 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #708891ZachKessinMemberIts not so much the Recession as organizations not running on sensible budgets. Recession or not if you spend more then you take in you go broke. And you can’t out earn or fundraise careless spending.
(Yes this means some hard choices are going to have to be made)
November 13, 2010 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #708892WIYMemberZach
“Its not so much the Recession as organizations not running on sensible budgets. Recession or not if you spend more then you take in you go broke. And you can’t out earn or fundraise careless spending.
(Yes this means some hard choices are going to have to be made)”
But what does that mean? The typical mainstream Yeshivah and BY do not pay high salaries the food is generally subsidized by the govt and is 2nd rate at best and these schools arent exactly offering anything that should cost them through the roof.
Unless Im missing something, with tuition being paid in full by most students and the extra fundraising, dinners…a yeshivah should at least be able to stay afloat. But to fall into heavy debt? I just dont get how thats possible unless Im missing something big.
November 14, 2010 2:55 am at 2:55 am #708893WiseWomanMemberyou know what the problem is? every other say another school opens or people end up travelling elsewhere. i know of a very famous yeshiva here, where they b”H have expanded tremendously in the last few years. there were 4 classes with 26 kids now they are almost double that(and thats just preschool). whats the trick? amazing rebbes and morahs and of course….FUNDRAISING! if a school is closing they could have a terrible advocate who is trying to fundraise and they dont know what they are doing. it’s all about the PR. you gotta have a good reputation, not kick kids out just cuz they spoke to the opposite gender etc. i would never send my child to a school knowing that they kick kids out for stupid reasons.
at the same time this school that is expanding is i am sure im debt. but the parents give as much as they can and if people stopped having a million kids and paid tuition on time then maybe they wouldnt be have to not pay tuition and be on time with payments. oh and actually pay teachers more money and on time!
November 14, 2010 4:42 am at 4:42 am #708894dvorakMemberA) This is not caused by the recession; these schools were being mismanaged for many years years before the recession, but they always managed to plug the gaps, extend credit etc. Now that we are in recession, those options don’t exist anymore. Although it took tough economic times to bring these problems to light, they were there underneath the surface for a long time beforehand.
B)WIY- they still have rent or mortgage, utilities, other staff costs, and even if the teachers don’t make that much, when you employ let’s say 75 of them, it adds up. Dinners barely make up for the cost of happening in the first place; fundraising will only get you so far, especially these days; tuition does not cover the costs.
November 14, 2010 5:37 am at 5:37 am #708895WIYMemberdvorak
Most schools especially decent sized ones that have been around for a while own the property for a while so the mortgage if there ever was one is paid off. I dont think there are many schools that rent.
November 14, 2010 6:01 am at 6:01 am #708896dvorakMemberWIY- did you read the news from the other day? The latest closure was due to owing 2 years in back rent, and it was a fairly large school. You’d also be surprised at how many places that shouldn’t carry a mortgage still have a hefty one. Unless the school has been in current location and building for a few decades, chances are, there is a large mortgage. If they’re in a fairly new building, forget it, they’re definitely still paying for it.
November 14, 2010 6:36 am at 6:36 am #708897commonsenseParticipantfrom what I’ve heard, BYBP built a new building because they needed the space. a large chunk of money that they thought was committed did not end up coming through which left them in a huge hole that in this economy they are having a very difficult time trying to climb out of.
November 14, 2010 7:02 am at 7:02 am #708898WIYMemberdvorak
Yeah I read that article and the amount that they owe is ridiculous!
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