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    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Golfer – Sometimes someone can end up in a situation in which he has a safeik regarding whether or not he is supposed to make a bracha. When someone is unsure whether or not he is supposed to make a bracha, one halachic solution is to ask someone else (who has a reason to be making that particular bracha anyhow) to be motzi you.

    Let’s say for example that I ate cake and I don’t remember if I said an al hamichya or not. The rule is: “Safeik brachos l’hakel” – when there is a safeik with brachos, it is better to miss out on the bracha and not make a new bracha (since it might be a bracha l’vatala.)

    But it is even better to find a way around the safeik – one way to do that is by having someone else be motzi you. That way, if I really did forget to say al hamichya, I am now covered but at the same time I don’t have to worry about a bracha l’vatala.

    “And if you’re in middle of eating why wouldn’t you politely decline and say, “I’m not up to bracha achrona yet, I’m still eating”?”

    You’re right – the issue here was that at the time the guy asked him, he didn’t think it would be a problem to say the al hamichya since he was finished the pastry. It was only the rice that he was not finished and since al hamichya is not the bracha achrona for rice, he assumed that it was okay to say an al hamichya on the pastry and continue eating the rice.

    It was only afterwards that he realized that there might be a problem.

    #1345476
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Question – According to the Piskei Teshuvos [that I may continue eating without a new bracha if I had such intention while making the bracha achrona], why when I bentch al hakois do I make a borei pri hagafen on the wine [if I already drank during the seudah]? Surely I plan on drinking it, and the birchas hamazon will not stop that?”

    Maybe it’s because you specifically had in mind that the original bracha should not cover the cos shel bracha. You can ask the same question by the arba kosos by the Seder. Perhaps it’s the same answer there.

    #1345867
    Chortkov
    Participant

    Maybe it’s because you specifically had in mind that the original bracha should not cover the cos shel bracha. You can ask the same question by the arba kosos by the Seder. Perhaps it’s the same answer there.

    I’m still here, just haven’t had time to respond to your posts yet.

    That would be a brocho sheina tzricha.

    Arba Kosos is different. The Poskim talk about why each cup has its own bracha, and there are various answers. I don’t think it will help here.

    #1346450
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    When are you going back? Didn’t the zman start already?

    #1346481
    golfer
    Participant

    Thank you LilmodU for taking the time.
    Interesting.
    If I’m eating an al hamichya food and a borei nefashos food, maybe some pasta and a vegetable salad- (cake and rice? Forget that! How many women do you know who will ingest carbs like that?) -what I always do is finish eating and then say al hamichya and right after that borei nefashos. It never occurred to me to finish the pasta, say al hamichya, and continue nibbling on the vegetables. Makes me feel strange, as if I’m saying, “Thanks so much! Great satisfying meal” then I keep eating. But what you’re saying is that regardless of how strange I might feel, there’s actually nothing wrong with that.

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