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What would you do? If you saw s/o laying on the street.
Give it in steps.
And please be honest – don’t look it up!
That happened to me years ago in EY. I don’t think she was unconscious; I think she just hurt her leg, but I don’t remember the details.
I happen to be terrible in emergencies, but I went to the nearest payphone (this was many years ago), figured out the number to call for emergencies (I think it was listed on the phone) and called. I then waited with her until the ambulance came.
I went to Shaarei Tzedek on Shabbos to try to visit her but couldn’t find her. So I guess she was okay in the end. I remember it was Shabbos (when I tried to visit her) because I remember the way the receptionist reacted when I got nervous when she started looking the name up in the computer and I told her it wasn’t necessary. She laughed and told me that she’s a goy.
It depends. If they look like they’re doing it on purpose as a game, frown and move on. If it looks like something is really wrong, I’d ask him to see if he responds. If he says he’s okay, I’d move on. Otherwise I’d yell out to all the other people on the street in a vague panicked scream in case one of them is a trained professional. Then I’d dial 911 on my cell phone. If I wouldn’t have one, I’d frantically run around looking for someone else to ask to call.
This depends if the person appears to be homeless, in which case I call 911(note I live in NYC), and request an ambulance. This is assuming he is not camping out in which case I will leave him alone. If they appear Jewish and it looks like they are hurt I would call Hatzalah.
People who play such games usually are fairly obvious.
1. See if hes a drunk/homeless
2. If not call him
3. if no answer call 911 not hatzalah unless jewish
Depends but I would prob go up to someone else and ask if they see what I see.
If no one is there and I feel safe, then talk to the person.
Hopefully also…
Call 911 (can happen before or after the above, depending on the circumstances)
Do people have the hatzalah numbers saved on their phones? It is only for a very Jewish area right? I know one local-ish city that had them. Besides there, I think it’s just 911.
Is the hatzalah trained and accoutable to govt oversight as 911 Emergency responders?
What if you call hatzalah and it gets dangerous? The person starts behaving aggressively.
Does the hatzalah have authority to restrain or retain someone against his or her will?
lightbrite? doing late Shabbos this week?
Hatzalah can call 911.
Okay, Health, please don’t keep us in suspense; what do you think someone should do, and how did the magazine err?
“Lightbrite -“If no one is there and I feel safe, then talk to the person”
You’re the first one that’s even getting close!”
I forgot to mention – I think I did approach the person first and talk to her.
What in the world could be wrong with calling Hatzalah/ambulance/911?
What is the right answer?
I think the OP wants us to say to talk to the person. Otherwise maybe we don’t know.
I believe you LU. Maybe other posters didn’t say that because it’s obvious and doesn’t need to be said.
But the whole group mentality in psychology and sociology finds that when one person walks by then others think it’s okay. They feel less personally responsible to do something when others are around.
When I drive by or see something, like an accident on the highway without any responders on the scene or sirens in view or hearing distance, I call 911 even when there are other cars driving by.
The other examples are when I heard what sounded like a child in the other neighborhood screaming his lungs out (Turned out to be mating raccoons! Didn’t sound the same as a cat fight.), what looked like a barn on fire in a rural area (dunno what happened), a car accident with a solo passenger, and that’s what I remember off the top of my head.
Btw. I recently learned that you can call 211 to get help for someone who is homeless. Ask them to refer you to a homeless outreach program/shelter in the same county as the person. Even when someone has a sign looking for money, he or she may eventually respond to help if approached by peer professionals.
This is a super chessed imho
Maybe we should join him or her laying down?
Like when you walk by someone looking up to the sky and instinctively also look up?
I’m pretty sure RebYidd23 gave the right answer here. If you do not know CPR your best bet is to try to get an EMT on site as soon as possible. If you are trained in first response, of course you first dial 911 and check scene safety before proceeding.
Who is Ubiq? Is this a poster’s comeback in another username?
I think Joseph did a shout out on another thread.
We really don’t know if the person is unconscious or not.
If the person is really on the street then he or she may be in danger of passing vehicles. Esp cars and trucks.
So if the person can move, that would be helpful. It could be someone who is high or in another mental state that will take instruction to move.
If the person is not moving or responding then some protective barrier should be arranged to divert traffic from the vulnerable person and make a way for emergency responders to arrive to the scene.
Health: There is a video online where a dog collapses and the doggie parent does the pushing on the chest. Mamash several minutes later he gets up. So amazing.
Health: +1
The song reference is great too!
Thanks for the info!
“Not only did not one poster get it right, but the magazine in Yiddish was giving e/o false information.”
What was the wrong information they were giving?
(I don’t get the magazine and I don’t understand Yiddish)
I think they are right – you should call hatzalah right away – why waste time, especially if you are completely untrained in dealing with emergencies?
Also, if you give too many instructions, people get confused when confronted with an emergency – the most important message you want to give over is to call hatzalah. Possibly, the reason people don’t help is because they don’t know what to do or they are in a rush. If they know to just call hatzalah (if they can’t do anything else), it would be very helpful, and more people would be likely to do something.
What would I do? I would call for help.
I actually did. It was a freezing cold afternoon, and I found a guy sprawled out on the sidewalk. I hurriedly called 911. The operator ask me a few questions and then asked me to feel him… I nearly passed out. There was no way I was gonna touch a drunk man. I yelled for her to just send help. She got the message.
“I wrote false information!”
false
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not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
“the test can produce false results”
synonyms: incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise;
You gotta learn to chill out
Health,
“My above post was for e/o, especially for laymen ie. those completely untrained in dealing with emergencies!”
It’s very easy to give instructions for one specific situation, but the reality is that there are a thousand different emergencies one could encounter, and it’s unreasonable for a person to be trained to deal with every single one, and it is unreasonable to expect an untrained person to be able to act properly under that kind of stress.
And if you’ll say that a person collapsing on the floor is more common, so everyone should be prepared – I’ve been alive for quite a few years, and I have never seen it happen, so it can’t be that common.
“Who said I’m not?”
Well to start, all the exclamation points
Meno +1
“Of course there are! So e/o should learn CPR & first aid.”
That may be true, but our discussion was about what someone should do who hasn’t learned CPR and First Aid.
They should call for help right away.
“Of course there are! So e/o should learn CPR & first aid.”
“I wasn’t talking about more common, but about life threatening!”
So by that logic, everyone should learn how to fly an airplane, in case the pilot drops dead mid-flight.
It is fairly obvious if the person is drunk/homeless. Do not do anything yourself unless you are a qualified to give medical aid. You can make matters worse. Even if you are not actually at fault you could set yourself up for a major lawsuit. Call the local emergency number (in the US 911, in Israel 100).
Just to clarify, I have nothing against people learning CPR and First Aid. I just think it’s counterproductive to insist that everyone learn too much. You end up with people thinking they know what they’re doing when they really don’t.
Maybe at least by thinking they can help, they move to action to get this person help.
Could hurt. Could also be better than sitting at the sidelines. They can give vital info for first responders when they arrive. B”H
Unlike in the US where every emergency is consolidated thru 911, there are 3 separate numbers for police (100), fire (102) and ambulance MDA (101) in Israel. For a medical emergency, you want to call an ambulance, MDA or for a quicker first responder, Ichud Hatzala (1221). A good hint to remember the MDA number- raise your hands next to your head for help. each arm is like a 1 and the head in the middle is the 0.
Health- requesting additional assistance- even as EMT- is part of scene size up. It is prior to checking level of consciousness. Below are the steps of scene size up:
Take body substance isolation precautions
Determine if the scene is safe
Determine the mechanism of injury/nature of illness
Determine the number of patients
Request additional help if necessary
Consider stabilization of spine
WTP: Do all the people answering the phone on emergency calls understand English?
In my Israeli experiences, I panic and call out for help in English. Hebrew takes too long to formulate in distress.
Btw thanks for the visual for an ambulance.
I wonder what happens when people need all three? Who do you call then?
Health has a good point about checking for safety before calling for help right away.
Cv”s there is gang violence at the scene. Someone walking into that scenario best run for cover and maybe leave the area to protect him or herself before calling for help.
A person who is not trained to help in any way can’t do anything except call for help.
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