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Ted Cruz is a smart politician. What in the world was he thinking by not endorsing trump? Didn’t he know the mess he was getting himself into.
He knows Trump will lose and is positioning himself for 2020. In fact, he would be upset in the unlikely event Trump did win, since that would disturb his plan to run in ’20.
By not endorsing Trump, he stood by his principles. Selling out doesn’t make you a better politician, it makes you a sell-out.
Cruz was assuring himself a lead position for the 2020 Republican nomination after Trump loses the general election in November 2016.
If Trump wins, Cruz would be out of play until at least 2024 and traditionally the sitting VP gets first shot at the nomination, so he could find himself out of the running for 16 years.
I’m hoping Trump loses and Cruz has alienated enough Republicans that they pick another poor candidate in 2020.
I admit my Democrat bias
If Trump loses, and badly, as Cruz expects him to, Cruz sets up for 2020 as the only candidate who didn’t associate himself with the loser.
If Trump wins, he is pretty much no worse off, already being seen as the guy everyone loves to hate.
He didn’t keep his word, as Christie pointed out last night, but as Cruz essentially said today, he didn’t give his word to back a guy who calls his father an assassin and his wife an adulteress.
Glad I’m not an American, or I might find myself having to vote for a candidate who is only slightly less dangerous and more palatable than Trump, and that’s not very Palatable at all.
Would you endorse someone who implied that your father was connected to the murder of jfk? bigger question is, why did they let him speak?
he finally realized that attention, any attention is good even if it is negative.
What makes you think he was thinking?
That’s how most of us get into trouble.
He’s the kind of politician who does not care about who he offends he does what he feels is right for him and the country.
@moshe. He was thinking what many conservatives are thinking who are not distracted by or swayed by the fact that trump now claims to be a republican. Hillary is preferable to trump. That said, I’ve really could have had it both ways. If I was writing his speech, I would have said. “I made a promise, and my daddy always told me to keep promises no matter what so I will endorse Donald trump”. But he could not even bring himself to do that.
Who in their right mind would endorse somebody who insults thier wife, and accuses their father of having been involved in JFK’s assassination?
Am I missing something?
Never mind the fact that in MArch Trump said he wouldnt neccesarily support the nominee (which we already knew) and he didnt care if Cruz supported him or not.
Kudos to Cruz and the very few conservatives who stand up for what they believe in
“Would you endorse someone who implied that your father was connected to the murder of jfk?”
I wouldn’t endorse ANYONE who claimed that someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.
The real question is why so many people are willing to endorse Trump given his unbelievable history of absolutely outrageous lies.
The real question is why so many people are willing to endorse Trump given his unbelievable history of absolutely outrageous lies.
The alternative is someone who should be in jail for recklessly compromising national security for selfish reasons.
… and for causing the deaths of multiple Americans.
What Cruz was thinking:
1. I want to run for president in 2020, against the re-election of 73-year old Hillary.
2. Voters have very short memories.
3. Those few voters who do remember are going to think I look presciently smart after down-ticket Republicans go down in flames in 2016.
Is Cruz right about item 3? Time will tell.
DaasYochid: I am happy to see that you have a law degree and that you are a sitting Federal judge. Last time I looked, The FBI Director said clearly that her mistakes or offenses did not rise to any criminal level. Dream on. Your hero Trump is a miserable human being who will lose big in November.
I do not think Cruz made the decision based on political expedience. I think the politically expedient thing for him to do was to have endorsed Trump. No one would have faulted him for it (especially because of the pledge). And Cruz’s endorsement or lack thereof is not affecting the outcome. If anything, his failure to endorse actually cast Trump in a sympathetic light and might benefit him.
Indeed, all the reports seem to be that trump new he would not endorse him, and he let him speak anyway. In short, of course he wants to run in 2020, but not endorsing trump will not help in that endeavor.
Anyway, we are certainly living in interesting political times for the US. No matter who gets elected, 40% of the country will despise the president. Its a little crazy.
Charlie -“The real question is why so many people are willing to endorse Trump given his unbelievable history of absolutely outrageous lies.”
The real question is why so many people are willing to endorse Hillary given her unbelievable history of absolutely outrageous lies. And how she compromised our National security & is responsible for deaths of Americans in Libya?!?
RoB:
You’re doing it again. You do it when we discuss halachah, now you’re doing it when we discuss politics – you’re putting words in my mouth.
Trump is not my hero, and I don’t even know if I will vote for him.
Hillary, however, was found to have committed a crime, but let off the hook for political reasons with the ridiculous claim that no prosecutor would prosecute, when people have been prosecuted for lesser infractions.
Maybe it was in the country’s best interest that we don’t need to go through the turmoil that we would if the Democratic presidential nominee were thrown out for legal reasons, but to claim that it’s not understandable why someone would endorse Trump is to be completely lacking in objectivity.
I would similarly understand if someone would endorse Clinton because of Donald’s huge flaws.
The real question is why so many people are willing to endorse Hillary given her unbelievable history of absolutely outrageous lies. And how she compromised our National security & is responsible for deaths of Americans in Libya?!?
Because Trump is a charlatan and a fraud, and an immoral person, with an even bigger ego than most presidential candidates, and no political experience.
DaasYochid: thanks for clarifying your comments. I say “amen’ to your second comment concerning Trump.
As far as Hillary goes, I am not enamored of her at all but ,in comparison to Trump, she is the epitome of excellence.
And it is not at all clear if anyone else having done the same thing in ref. to the server would be indicted. Sanctioned, yes, maybe even fired from the job but criminal liability? Not at all clear.
The damage to her on this is real and the American public will decide whether they want to forgive her on this, as it should be.
DY-“I would similarly understand if someone would endorse Clinton because of Donald’s huge flaws.”
“Because Trump is a charlatan and a fraud, and an immoral person, with an even bigger ego than most presidential candidates, and no political experience”
I’m trying to answer you like a Mentch.
Hillary is also a charlatan and a fraud. She also has a big ego, maybe more than Trump!
She does have political experience; starting with Watergate. Oh btw, she was thrown out of the commission for unethical behavior!
Yes, her political experience is fraught with controversy!
From then, until now!
And btw, she is a woman, so all the libs are saying this election will promote women rights.
The truth is what she did promote – that’s all right to abuse women.
She should have left her husband when he started his extra – marital affairs, during the time when he was governor!
health: Trump is a bigot, a fascist, a demagogue, a xenophobe and a narcissist. He does not care one iota about “YOU” and he only cares about himself. His most ardent supporters are the KKK, the “First America”‘s who were rabid anti-semites, the Southern yahoos who hate the jews more than blacks.
Whatever Hillary did or did not do, she is infinitely better than Trump.
You mean like Donald Trump?
ROB -“health: Trump is a bigot, a fascist, a demagogue, a xenophobe and a narcissist. He does not care one iota about “YOU” and he only cares about himself.”
There you again! Stop proving that the libs have no rebuttal on any criticism of Hillary. All you can do is curse!
Btw, Trump, a Goy, is allowed to curse. Jews aren’t! So stop calling names because you’re a liberal!
“His most ardent supporters are the KKK, the “First America”‘s who were rabid anti-semites, the Southern yahoos who hate the jews more than blacks.”
Actually, they hate blacks more than Jews. They will accept a Jew in their group, but not a black!
Rabbi of BErlin: You can’t seriously think that Hillary is that much better than Trump. Both are garbage and this country is in trouble with whoever wins. But she is a calculating liar and has been that way all her career and to award with the presidency is shameful.
As for Cruz, he may realize that he is no Mr. Popular, and not likely to get ore popular in 2020, and just stood by his principles. If you don’t admire that, then maybe that is why you have no trouble voting for Hillary, and same goes for those who will vote for Trump
Donald J.Trump is a phenomenal guy.He will b’ezras Hashem yisborach
trounce the mushchasdige machasheyfa Hillary (shem rishayim yirkav)
and become the greatest president this nation has seen in a VERY long time!!!!You are all being influenced by the horrible lying leftist media!!!As for Cruz,he’s definitely a soaring intellect,however,he applies that intelligence in unseemly and backhanded ways.He can NEVER win a national office position because he’s such an unlikable person.Trump,on the other hand,has charisma that rivals Kennedy and Reagan.People that know him and I’m referring to amcha all say he’s VERY pro Israel and generally very friendly to Jews.What else do you want???
“someone who should be in jail for recklessly compromising national security”
Sorry, but the meme was disproven. The number of properly marked classified documents that Clinton sent out via email was zero.
“is responsible for deaths of Americans in Libya”
Wrong again. Multiple investigations run by Republicans have concluded that she was not responsible for those deaths. You might want to read them.
“was found to have committed a crime”
No, she wasn’t.
“is not at all clear if anyone else having done the same thing in ref. to the server would be indicted. Sanctioned, yes”
Nope. Not even sanctioned.
Once during the seven years I worked for defense contractors I left a document out on my desk that was marked Secret. The next morning I realized what had happened and immediately reported myself. There were no sanctions. And that was worse than what Clinton did.
“she was thrown out of the commission for unethical behavior”
That is also false.
“She should have left her husband when he started his extra – marital affairs”
Political wives have often stayed with their husbands when they were having affairs. Think Florence Harding, Eleanor Roosevelt, Mamie Eisenhower, Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson — just to name five! (To be fair, Eisenhower’s love affair with Kay Summersby was before he entered politics — he was a mere General in charge of the war against Hitler.)
And what about Trump’s multiple extramarital affairs?
“they hate blacks more than Jews. They will accept a Jew in their group, but not a black!”
You have obviously never checked out the rabidly pro-Trump stormfront web site.
“Your hero Trump is a miserable human being”
He is indeed a miserable human being, whose personal life is antithetical to all the things we are supposed to value as Jews.
Examples:
He cheated on two wives.
He cheats his business partners and suppliers.
He abuses bankruptcy and eminent domain laws.
He illegally created a fraudulent university and bribed two state Attorneys-General to shut down their investigations of it.
His most prominent business ventures in recent deals have been beauty pageants and gambling casinos.
He repeatedly spouts the most slanderous lies about his political opponents (see the claim about Cruz’ father being involved in the Kennedy assassination).
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And his policies are even worse. His attempt to round up illegal immigrants will result in a police state the comparable to that of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Don’t think you won’t get caught up in it. His tax plan, designed to benefit himself, will tank the economy and destroy the US dollar as a major world currency. His protectionist trade plans will create a trade war and likely a worldwide depression, just as similar policies did in the 1930s. He has already announced that the US will not be bound by its agreements to its allies — and he did not exclude Israel in that statement. He has pretty much announced that he wants to give Putin a free hand in Eastern Europe and the Middle East — and that means Assad and Assad’s terrorist buddies Hezbollah. His promotion of junk science regarding vaccines leaves us open to a major infectious disease catastrophe.
Wake up!
Since this has become another “Who’s worse?” thread, I’ll post here. I admit I haven’t followed the server story closely, but didn’t the FBI find that other secretaries of state, including Colin Powell, did similar things?
Trump supporters, save your attacks on me. I’m not voting for either of the major party candidates.
Charlie Hall:You are pathetically misguided!!Your facts and hearsay are exactly opposite!Apply fact to Hillary sins and hearsay to drivel being hurled at Trump and you’ve got it spot on!!!!!
Trump will win.
flatbusher
regarding hillary you said
“calculating liar and has been that way all her career and to award with the presidency is shameful.”
Now I agree whole-heartedly. However that is the way of politicians, they lie.
Tom Friedman explained the difference well
” What is grating about Hillary is that her prevarications seem so unnecessary and often insult our intelligence. But they are not about existential issues. As for Trump, his lies are industrial size and often contradict each other. But there is no theory behind his lies, except what will advance him, which is why Trump is only scary if he wins. Otherwise, his candidacy will leave no ideas behind. It will just be a reality TV show that got canceled.”
Trump has praised Putin, Saddam Hussein Qaddafi and Kim jung un. He has on more than one occasion advocated for war crimes. He has downplayed chemical weapon use as not a big deal.
Are we really having this conversation?
Yes Hillary is a liar. Yes she isnt trustworthy. But war crimes?!
forget the fact that many of Trump’s supporters are antisemitic and soem are already pronouncing his victory as the beginning of the 4th reich(!!). although he has on more than one occasion shown a reluctance to condemn them. I grant he isnt an antisemite. He is pro-trump that is it.
Forget that.
War crimes Should be a non-starter.
“didn’t the FBI find that other secretaries of state, including Colin Powell, did similar things?”
Yes, they used unsecure email. So did Jeb Bush when as Governor of Florida he used unsecure email to discuss classified matters relating to National Guard deployments.
Interestingly, though, the major data breach from the State Department was from the Department’s *classified* systems used for diplomatic cables. Hundreds of thousands of those messages ended up on Wikileaks. But none of them were Clinton’s emails — the people who broke into the State Department’s servers didn’t know that Clinton’s system existed, so they couldn’t find it. Her server ended up being more secure than the official ones.
“Your facts and hearsay are exactly opposite!”
Wrong. I could document every single one of the things I wrote with a link except that YWN does not allow outside links. And Clinton has not done any of the things I pointed out.
Clinton has not cheated on two husbands.
Clinton has not cheated her business partners and suppliers.
Clinton has not abused bankruptcy and eminent domain laws.
Clinton has not illegally created a fraudulent university and has not bribed two state Attorneys-General.
Clinton has not run either beauty pageants or casinos.
And Clinton has never accused any political opponents of having been involved in assassinations.
Her policies are correct, too.
She will not create a police state to round up illegal immigrants.
Her tax plan is sensible.
She won’t start a worldwide trade war. (Republicans from Eisenhower to Romney understood that free trade was good for America and for the world. Now they have retrogressed to Herbert Hoover beliefs.)
She will keep America’s agreements with its allies. Even when the opponent is Putin.
She wants both Assad and Islamic State out of Syria.
She is with scientists on the importance of vaccines.
Now, what was it that was the opposite of what I said?
Charlie -“His attempt to round up illegal immigrants will result in a police state the comparable to that of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Don’t think you won’t get caught up in it.”
Stop with the liberal scare tactics!
Actually this was done in this country, until Obama stopped it with an executive order.
Your g-d Obama is more like a dictator than anyone else!
Did you ever hear of ICE?
Charlie,
Even on a fast you chug the Kool Ade?
Charlie -“And Clinton has never accused any political opponents of having been involved in assassinations”
Because she and Bill have s/o do it for them. Check out the website called whatreallyhappened.com.
From there – B. Caceres said Hillary was responsible for the Honduran coup which toppled the democratic government of Zelaya.
Nowadays Honduras is one of the most violent places in the world!
Oh btw, she was killed during her sleep!
Charlie – from political insider: “Documents show Hillary knew about Benghazi all along.”
E/o else go there to see the truth – how Hillary caused the deaths of American diplomats!
Charlie
She has enabled her husband to have numerous affairs
She lied repeatedly about the emails
She refuses to release the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs thanks
She cares more about the teachers union than the children
The Clinton foundation solicited significant donations from from foreign governments while she was Sec of state
She Lied when she claimed to have exited a helicopter under fire
Etcetera
re miamilawyer’s comment about Cruz expediency: I think Cruz was trying to distinguish himself from the Republican herd of presidential candidates that may emerge in 2019, whether or not such distinction is expedient.
But something puzzles me about your comment: your suggestion that Cruz’s witholding of his endorsement would generate “sympathy” for Trump.
Trump has his own air force, supposedly has $10 billion (I don’t believe it, but that is irrelevant to the sympathy question), gets a new wife as soon as the old one turns 50, and inherited control of a $40 million business while in his 20’s. No one has “sympathy” for Trump. Envy, maybe, respect if you believe he has accomplished anything in life or think he makes sense (I don’t), but sympathy? He don’t need no stinkin’ sympathy.
I think we all know that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are not good people.
assur.
Commentators have observed that Trump has the making of a dictator. Plus his forming of a Super-PAC to destroyu Cruz and Kacich in the future is nothing short of evil. We should daven that somehow neither Trump nor Clinton ever get a chance to run this country.
flatbusher -“Commentators have observed that Trump has the making of a dictator.”
Does that bother you? If it does, then you should comment on the fact that we have a dictator now!
Do you know he stopped ICE from preforming their legal duties, including deportation of illegals?!?
“Plus his forming of a Super-PAC to destroyu Cruz and Kacich in the future is nothing short of evil.”
So did it bother you when the DNC did unethical behavior in support of Clinton?!? This is now, not in the future.
Don’t worry, the DemonCrats don’t do anything evil, not like Trump.
They are all angels!
Re health comment to flatbusher: The “dictator” we have now has deported more illegal immigrants than any prior president. Why are you so disconnected from the facts? Do you think that facts have a liberal bias?
Health
“So did it bother you when the DNC did unethical behavior in support of Clinton?!? This is now, not in the future.
Don’t worry, the DemonCrats don’t do anything evil, not like Trump.
They are all angels!”
a. compared to Trump yes they are angels. the democrats arent calling for war crimes. How is that not a deal breaker?
b. Just the opposite. IT bother me that the GOP didnt do the same to bother trump.
The US is the only country that I am aware of that has this silly system of the masses choosing a party’s candidate. (Even in the US it is a relatively recent innovation). That is how the Republican party got stuck with a candidate who is not conservative at all. If you define conservative as believing in limited government and free markets, Trump is less conservative than Clinton. Which is no surprise, considering he has over the years often said over and over how he identifies with Democrats more than Republicans. Yet here we are with a bunch of authritarian nuts taking over the GOP. A few true Conservatives, refuse to join his takeover, however most are opportunists, who dont seem to believe in their own party’s message.
The DNC was right to keep out Sanders. The party elite/insiders SHOULD choose the party’s candidate. They are the ones who actually care about the party and its message.
If you want a corrupt-narcissist-big government-reality star for President, no problem go start your own party or, run as a Democrat. Why take over the GOP?
Huju-“The “dictator” we have now has deported more illegal immigrants than any prior president. Why are you so disconnected from the facts? Do you think that facts have a liberal bias?”
I’m not disconnected from the facts; you libs are!
Who cares that he deported some? He is the one who hasn’t protected our borders. He let them in & won’t throw them out!
From Pew research.com:
Ubiq -“The DNC was right to keep out Sanders. The party elite/insiders SHOULD choose the party’s candidate. They are the ones who actually care about the party and its message.”
There is such a thing as a democratic process. The running for democratic primary is supposed to be democratic. Not just so who follows the party – line for line.
These parties are based on democratic principles.
This isn’t Cuba or N. Korea!
Obviously you don’t understand this, whether this applies to Trump or to Sanders!
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