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beside the cholent.. cold cuts.. kugel.. schnitzl..pickles
If it’s warm out I don’t usually serve hot food (I know, sacrilege) so I’ll serve gilled chicken cutlets, home-cooked corned beef, peppered overnight roast, chicken salad, cold cuts or something else room temperature.
If it’s cold I like to cook some sort of fleishig stew. This week I made a wheat berry beef stew with dried mushrooms. Sometimes I serve baked beans or black bean soup with hot dogs/sausages, and I also make kasha stew with turkey or chicken chunks.
I never ate lunch on Shabbos.
WIY, Unless you are fasting Shabbos day, you do in fact eat lunch.(As you should be so don’t feel bad)
I believe the ultimate Shabbos day seuda is sushi, beer, cholent and dessert. With a dip or two. Maybe a salad.
id keep it as is. its not the taste of cholent kugel etc., its the taste of shabbos
Have any of you ever heard of mesorah?
Not everyone likes the same food,telling someone “its Mesorah”to eat something they dont like isnt very helpful.
Personally Ill eat chulent ,but dont really care for it and its not eaten in my house,but I cant stand Herring, Gefiltle Fish or Chopped Liver (The worst YUCH!!!) Ill pass on the chicken as well
Gruenkern
Our mesorah includes gathering the family for a festive seudah, although the menu has changed numerous times over the millennia. I’m pretty sure Moshe Rabeinu never had gefilte fish or cholent. I’m also pretty sure Moshe Rabeinu didn’t wear a streimel either, while we’re at it.
If you grew up in a normal frum (ashkenazy) home you appreciate a normal shabbos menu: fri nite-gefilte fish with chrain, chicken soup with mandelin, chicken with kugel -shabbos day-gefilte fish again or herring and/or liver, aayer mit zvibbel, p’cha chulent & kugel and maybe some cold cuts.
Sushi & salads for a shabbos seuda is for vegan trendy modern orthodox or baalay t’shuva (still on their way)
laytzonay hador omrim:
I grew up in a “normal frum (ashkenazy) home,” and we eat very little of your “normal” menu – and we’re that much healthier for not eating much of that stuff.
Salad
I grew up being served Herring and Chopped Liver.
And they taste just as bad on Tuesday as they do on Shabbos
I never heard of Ptcha until recently, so I asked some of the older generation and they told me why, they HATED it and refused to eat it, even my father who will eat almost anything wont eat Ptcha.
I found it in the store and it did look nasty, Didnt taste that good either unless I heated it up and sopped it up with bread
We also ate very little of laytzonay’s menu but nothing healthier. Shabbos day we also serve chopped up schnitzel pieces to add to the salad, primarily for those who don’t want the cholent and want a meal out of the salad. We also seve deli roll and sometimes chili.
There is a way to cook things a bit healthier…
Chanis E: Moshe Rabeinus’ wife didn’t wear tight short clothes, and didn’t eat Sushi on Shabbos Kodesh either! You cant force anyone to eat something they don’t like. Either you get it or you don’t!
The idea behind cholent was those were the ingredients easiest to hand in Eastern Europe – meat, potatoes and beans. So they put them in a pot and left them overnight. In the middle east, they used rice and chicken with a variety of spices, which is called hamin. I switch between the two (my husband was brought up with a lot of sefardi cooking since his mother was sefardi), but my mother very often makes beef or lamb stew, chicken casserole or a good thick soup like bean soup. It doesn’t have to be cholent but it does have to be left overnight on a fire.
ChaniE, even if it’s hot we should still serve hot food, since we are making a statement against the zdukim, who davka had cold food shabbos morning cause it is assur to cook fresh.
Zehavasdad: You and your father never ate my sons Ptcha!
If you don’t like liver than don’t eat it, BUT I will say Pomegranate makes an unbelievable chopped liver!
I was at a close family friend recently as they invited me for Shabbos and they served me a nice serving of Liver. Its rude not to eat what you are served so I ate it chasing it booze to minimize the taste, I have no idea how I got it down.
My grandmother was a great cook she , the typical jewish grandmother and even she could not make Ptcha taste good
Zehavasdad: What is the recipe for the Ptcha you’ve tried?
I tried ptcha at a shteibel in monsey. I assume it was good ptcha, because everything else there was terrific.
I could not get it down.
I bought it in the store.
Al ta’am vareiach ein l’hisvakeiach.
I know tgis sounds like kifera but you could try main milk espeshily dering a 3 day yomtov
I was a scholar in residence and cantor in residence, and we served the following:
Chulent was parve, made from potato, sweet potato, barley, beans, onions, ketchup, paprika, oil, Badia seasoning, pepper, salt, and bbq sauce.
Cappiello braided mozzarella (OU-D) was served with basil and tomato, with balsamic dressing. You can use Fresh and Tasty for CY mozzarella braid. This was a delicious Caprese salad.
Green salad with assorted dressings and toppings (olives, peppers, pickles, broccoli, parmesan cheese, shredded cheddar, etc.)
Parve kishka was in the chulent, along with assorted kugels on the side.
If you want meat, you can serve salad with cold grilled chicken and parve Caesar dressing and croutons (capers go nicely in such a salad), and try different hot stews that can cook over shabbos. Chili comes to mind (use many kinds of beans and let this stew over shabbos, like a chulent. You can also use beef stew meat, and add jalapeno, chipotle, green bell pepper, onion, cilantro, crused tomatoes, beer, garlic, cumin, chili powder, and other ingredients for an authentic Mexican taste.
The idea is that a person should eat hot food, as well as a dish special for yom shabbat.
Al ta’am vareiach tov l’hisvakeiach.
Also rhymes.
If you’re not particularly looking for healthy options, deli roll is an option. You can put it inside the cholent pot to keep it warm as long as you wrap it well. If you’re not only talking about sides to cholent, make sure you serve lots of ice cream, brownies, and chocolate. That way people will actually enjoy the food.
cud be meats a must. sh”a 242 see m”b
My point about what Moshe Rabeinu did or did not eat or wear is that there are many styles (culinary and sartorial) that are perfectly fine for frum yidden. I don’t think Moshe Rabeinu ate sushi any more than I think he ate gefilte fish but I’m not saying that anyone should or should not eat gefilte fish or sushi regardless of what Moshe Rabeinu ate.
ChanieE: that’s was my point exactly , you can’t change traditions.
OK, in which case I stand by my original comment: what passes for tradition is itself a recent innovation.
Moshe Rabbenu ate mun and since mun tasted like whatever you wanted it to taste like and the fact that Moshe Rabbenu was a Navi, maybe he was thinking about Gefilta fish and chulent….
Please stop bringing Moshe Rabbenu into this! He didnt wear a yarmulka as we know it not leather not velvet not cloth and not knitted. He didnt even light chanuka licht nor did he read the megilla nor any haftoras for that matter. My obvious point is what Moshe did or didnt has nothing to do with gefilte fish and chulent vs sushi and tofu.
notasheep,
when was the last time you met a tziduki?
I heard recently that a Litvak is like “ptcha”- cold and hard. once they warm up a bit, they just fall apart…:)
Chanie E Tradition is NOT a recent innovation , unless you feel the last 300 years is recent?
Have you tried yapchuk?
Kasher: sorry to spoil your joke, ptcha is hot, when it’s cold it’s called gala.
oyyoyyoy:
cud be meats a must. sh”a 242 see m”b
Cud be you’re wrong.
Matan1 – never, but that’s not the point. The point is that we davka eat food that’s been left on a fire overnight to stop others from saying “well we take to torah literally, so we can’t have hot food shabbos morning”. Even though the zdukim are not around any more, there are still people who don’t believe in the Oral Law.
my wife hates and always hated shabbos menu. i always told her to buy something that she enjoys despite the traditional menu, to be mekayim ‘shabbos ta’anug’.
finally she listened to me, she now buys sushi or makes a canny salad, has some other salads (potato salad, cabbage salad, or other etc), some selection of dips with her fresh challah, and dessert. i’m so happy that she is eating by the se’udah, i get pleasure from it too. it soooo doesn’t bother me that it’s nontraditional, let her enjoy shabbos too with her tasty dishes, gezunteheit!
Way to go Tzaddiq! That’s a recipe not just for an enjoyable Shabbos seudah but for shalom bayis as well!
Ive seen more than once a father FORCE his kids to eat chulent on shabbos, the kid didnt want to be Fleshig.
Exactly how is that supposed to make the kid like Shabbos if he is forced to eat something
CHANIE E: I wasn’t discussing likes or dislikes… I was discussing mesorah. I personally don’t eat after the eggs, maybe just a spoon of chulent. I serve the traditional Shabbos food to my family. No one is forced to eat anything, everyone eats what they like.I just wonder what a shabbos seuda will look like in 50 years from now for some of you? Maybe pizza?
Zahavasdad: I used to dislike the taste of meat intensely. My father told me I had to take at least a little cholent because it was the only hot dish on the table, in order to be mekayem the mitzva of the seuda in the best way.
I ate about a teaspoonful of cholent every Shabbos, didn’t feel forced, and over time began to tolerate and even enjoy it. Now I eat a regular serving of cholent most of the time.
The men here can tell us about the halachos involved, but chinuch wise, not eating a major dish is going to be problematic for a child later on. Forcing a child to eat it is obviously not very helpful, but having them take even a little bit, just to be part of it, is very reasonable.
zahavasdad-
agreed about force-feeding, and training them to hate shabbos.
however, sometimes kids are real fussy eaters and are scared to try new foods, with odd textures and tastes, hence the difficulty in getting kids to eat vegetables.
we told our kids whoever eats egg salad with matzah, and some of the chulent will get dessert, if not- no dessert, leaving the option totally in their hands. all they had to have is a little itsy bitsy portion. they ALL had some and eventually they developed the taste amidst many months of moans and groans, but now love it and eat it with zest.
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Nice, tzaddiq. My wife and one kid are vegan, so sometimes we have fleishigs (they have tofu instead), sometimes milchigs, sometimes pareve. We all eat whatever is served, it’s a hot meal, and everybody enjoys. That makes a nice Shabbat for everyone.
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